Posobiec said that DeSantis stated that there was no evidence that the 2020 election was stolen, "directly contradicting a central argument of Trump and his supporters. What do you think of that?"
Winters said that DeSantis' comments seem to suggest that he doesn't want to win the Republican primary, adding that his words have given credence to the administrative state that has indicted former President Donald Trump three separate times in recent months.
Winters went on to say that the governor's tactics "don't surprise me," adding that it's just the "neocon establishment" that is "speaking through him." She noted that it's all in an effort to discredit the Republican frontrunner. She characterized DeSantis' strategy as "political suicide." She added that his recent stunts have put him in "Mike Pence territory," someone who openly suggested that the war in Ukraine is more important than the American people.
Posobiec cut in: "If you're trying to win in a Republican primary right now, why would you be coming out against something that, you know, seven out of ten Republicans all believe in? Or even Joe Rogan, just yesterday, was coming out saying that he thought there were problems with the 2020 election ... I believe he used the word 'shenanigans.'"
"So you got a guy like Joe Rogan out there, who's no conservative, coming out and saying these things that wins him favor with a lot of conservatives and may disagree with him on any number of issues. But then you got a guy like Ron DeSantis coming up, who's...remember, his job right now is to try to win the Republican primary. I just don't get it. But I don't understand who he's trying to win over."
The two turned to the Biden family's dealing in Ukraine, with Posobiec questioning why Pence and Christie, both of whom have met with Zelensky, haven't asked why they paid money Hunter Biden "and his idiot buddies."
Winters responded, saying she finds it "hilarious" when media personalities and outlets suggest that Trump wanting to end the war is a bad thing. She said these outlets believe Trump "poses an existential threat to the money laundering operation" coming out of Ukraine.
"But I think the key point that people were starting to pick up on, either through reading stories or frankly, just seeing the world with their own eyes, that the ramifications of Joe Biden's corruption in the corrupt deals that Hunter Biden was thinking across the entire globe. It's not just that they made millions of dollars and this is a tale of DC corruption. The vestiges of this corruption continue to this day because remember, Hunter Biden, along these deals that they were making had to do with energy policy, they had to do with Ukraine and getting certain people fired."
"I would argue to people in Ukraine, no wonder why Joe Biden couldn't even put America first, at least when it comes to domestic energy production ... because for decades they've been selling out this country to the Chinese Communist Party, other foreign countries, particularly on the front of energy. I think that's why you see such ridiculously high gas prices, ridiculous policies, canceling Keystone pipeline, you name it, because it really represents the type of business deals that they were pursuing. They couldn't even put America first if they wanted to. And they don't even think they have to pretend, obviously they know they can get away with all these lies to the American people."
Winters continued by breaking news, suggesting that the Biden family's ties with the Chinese Communist Party was damning. She noted that she had recovered "deleted web pages, strategy papers, op eds, written by CEFC China Energy thought leaders," which included China's intent to surpass the US. "And even the word warfare is all there. For example, there's a piece entitled 'How to Resolve the China Threat Theory.' If you walk through that, these are long strategy papers where there's a lot of depth to them. They talk about the various warfare tactics, particularly in regards to alternative forms of warfare like information warfare, media warfare, and how to get other countries such as America to not perceive of the Chinese Communist Party as a direct threat."
"They also have a piece in there where they quite literally say China now uses America to measure its great revival."
