Referencing the arraignment of Trump that occurred shortly after the show, with Biden’s Department of Justice leading the indictment, Posobiec asked Rufo, "how did we get here?"
"Well, it is part of a 50-year campaign, and the radical left" in the 1960s "devised a strategy called the long march to the institutions," in which these groups, who knew they could never get a majority vote, would instead "burrow into the institutions" starting with universities and HR departments leading up to now, where they’re in agencies like the FBI and the military," Rufo said.
"Then we're going to bring these ideologies in, we're going to impose them from the top down, we're going to squash any kind of dissent. And then of course, you see a whole culmination in all of these indictments that are partisan, are political in nature, they no longer have to hide their ideologies. They revealed them during that summer. of George Floyd, and they're continuing to flex up until today."
Rufo said that the FBI was mobilized under Nixon and J Edgar Hoover to go after left-wing radical revolutionaries, and contrasted it to today’s DOJ, which is going after parents protesting at school board meetings, censoring social media, and teaching critical race theory in the military academies.
"Yeah, that's right," Rufo responded. "I think it's like that old idea that your musical tastes solidify in your teenage years and then you become, you remain a fan of that kind of music for the rest of your life. The same thing is with your formative experiences about these institutions. If you grew up watching the heroism of World War II, hearing those stories from your father or your grandfather, you have an idea of what the military is at its highest expression. But if you actually talk to the guys who are on the market, right now, they'll tell you that, you know, whether it's by this kind of phony extremism stand down, whether it's the white privilege trainings that they go through, or these ridiculous figures like Mark Milley ... they have a very different view."
"They have a very different view. It's unfortunately and very sadly, kind of cynical view. But I actually think that it's an accurate view of what's happening. And I know a lot of guys that are my age, in our late 30s, that have served, and they say I wouldn't tell my kids to join today, and that to me is just a tragedy and something very sad, but something that we should be quite honest about."
Posobiec added that he, too, has considered people going into the military. He suggested that young people should go into the military to seek on-the-job experience and then get out. He then posed a question to Rufo: "So Chris, what's the solution? Where do we go from here?"
Rufo said two solutions needed to be pursued simultaneously. "First is that people need to get back involved at the local level. You know, parents need to show up at school board meetings. They need to run for the school board seats. They need to recapture their local institutions and really take ownership again, over those institutions, making sure the values of those places are aligned with them and with all the people in the community.
"But second, we need politicians that are much more sophisticated on culture war issues. We need politicians that are willing to fight and that are willing to use democratic and legislative power to reshape, reform, and sometimes abolish institutions that are no longer serving their purpose. We need to get aggressive on these things, especially as we're looking at the federal bureaucracy. We need massive changes. We need massive reforms, and we need to actually put a lot of people out of business that are really not doing the service that they should be doing."
