Guest host Beni Rae Harmony sat down with The Post Millennial and Human Events editor-in-chief Libby Emmons on Jack Posobiec’s Human Events Daily Thursday to discuss the evolving strategies and international influence of Antifa. The conversation highlighted how the group adapts to public scrutiny, spreads its ideology, and targets both domestic and international issues. The conversation comes on the heels of an announcement that the FBI and IRS will be investigating Antifa and groups linked to antifa.
Harmony opened the discussion by asking Emmons to provide context on Antifa’s scope and operations: "And so Libby, you've been writing and doing stories about Antifa in these cells and groups for years now, leading up to this bombshell report that we're seeing. Talk to us a little bit about some of those things that you have seen, some of the stories that you can share with us, to really give our viewers and just the American people an understanding of how deep these Antifa organizations go."
Emmons described the extensive work at The Post Millennial, citing journalists Andy Ngo, Katie Davis Court, Jack Posobiec, and Ari Hoffman as key contributors to uncovering Antifa activity:
"Yeah, and the people that I work with at The Post Millennial really have a deep expertise in this. And I've been very blessed and grateful to get to work with them and hear what they've been working on and then edit their work and talk to them about it. That's Andy Ngo, Katie Daviscourt, Jack Posobiec at Human Events, and also Ari Hoffman, have really dug into this. And it's been fascinating to see their work continue to grow."
Emmosn explained how Antifa adapts its tactics to avoid accountability while maintaining visibility in public spaces: "We saw just recently with the anti-ICE stuff, Antifa members started donning these like, you know, buoyant balloon-looking frog costumes, right? And then that became this whole thing. And actually, you had Senator Ron Wyden and others hosting the frog costume Antifa people when they had their backlash against the State of the Union address. So it's really permeated and Antifa will make those adjustments so that they become more palatable to Americans. And they're always sort of putting someone between themselves and accountability."
Emmons also highlighted past US incidents where Antifa masked its direct involvement: "So we saw in 2020, they had this wall of moms in Portland, where all the moms wore these yellow shirts and linked arms. And they were standing between Antifa and, you know, the federal government, essentially the federal law enforcement, while Antifa would then go try and set fire to the courthouse building in Antifa in Portland, which they did for 100 straight nights that summer in 2020."
The conversation expanded to the global dimension of Antifa, including violent actions in France: "We recently saw in France, and this is something that both Jack and Andy were talking about. There was a young man, Quentin, who was killed by Antifa. He was beaten to death in the streets because he was working with women who were nationalist and speaking out for women's rights and nationalism. So Antifa is this global thing."
Emmons emphasized the decentralized, leaderless nature of the organization and its flexible alignment with political causes: "It's sort of like a hydra, where if you cut one head off, there's another one that just jumps into place. It's a leaderless kind of organization by design so that anyone can take up the helm and do that. People self-identify into this group. It's easy to find information online about how you can be part of what they're doing or just accelerate the kinds of actions that they are undertaking. And they also, this is a key thing, too, is it's never just one issue, right? The issue is always overthrowing the American government, taking down imperialism, blah, blah, blah. It could be anything. It was BLM, trans, climate justice, as they call it. There was Covid. These antifascists were the same ones who were advocating for Covid lockdowns. And now you have the anti-ICE stuff. And whatever the new, oh, and of course, you know, the Gaza stuff. So whatever the new cause du jour is, Antifa will be on the left side of it."
Harmony opened the discussion by asking Emmons to provide context on Antifa’s scope and operations: "And so Libby, you've been writing and doing stories about Antifa in these cells and groups for years now, leading up to this bombshell report that we're seeing. Talk to us a little bit about some of those things that you have seen, some of the stories that you can share with us, to really give our viewers and just the American people an understanding of how deep these Antifa organizations go."
Emmons described the extensive work at The Post Millennial, citing journalists Andy Ngo, Katie Davis Court, Jack Posobiec, and Ari Hoffman as key contributors to uncovering Antifa activity:
"Yeah, and the people that I work with at The Post Millennial really have a deep expertise in this. And I've been very blessed and grateful to get to work with them and hear what they've been working on and then edit their work and talk to them about it. That's Andy Ngo, Katie Daviscourt, Jack Posobiec at Human Events, and also Ari Hoffman, have really dug into this. And it's been fascinating to see their work continue to grow."
Emmosn explained how Antifa adapts its tactics to avoid accountability while maintaining visibility in public spaces: "We saw just recently with the anti-ICE stuff, Antifa members started donning these like, you know, buoyant balloon-looking frog costumes, right? And then that became this whole thing. And actually, you had Senator Ron Wyden and others hosting the frog costume Antifa people when they had their backlash against the State of the Union address. So it's really permeated and Antifa will make those adjustments so that they become more palatable to Americans. And they're always sort of putting someone between themselves and accountability."
Emmons also highlighted past US incidents where Antifa masked its direct involvement: "So we saw in 2020, they had this wall of moms in Portland, where all the moms wore these yellow shirts and linked arms. And they were standing between Antifa and, you know, the federal government, essentially the federal law enforcement, while Antifa would then go try and set fire to the courthouse building in Antifa in Portland, which they did for 100 straight nights that summer in 2020."
The conversation expanded to the global dimension of Antifa, including violent actions in France: "We recently saw in France, and this is something that both Jack and Andy were talking about. There was a young man, Quentin, who was killed by Antifa. He was beaten to death in the streets because he was working with women who were nationalist and speaking out for women's rights and nationalism. So Antifa is this global thing."
Emmons emphasized the decentralized, leaderless nature of the organization and its flexible alignment with political causes: "It's sort of like a hydra, where if you cut one head off, there's another one that just jumps into place. It's a leaderless kind of organization by design so that anyone can take up the helm and do that. People self-identify into this group. It's easy to find information online about how you can be part of what they're doing or just accelerate the kinds of actions that they are undertaking. And they also, this is a key thing, too, is it's never just one issue, right? The issue is always overthrowing the American government, taking down imperialism, blah, blah, blah. It could be anything. It was BLM, trans, climate justice, as they call it. There was Covid. These antifascists were the same ones who were advocating for Covid lockdowns. And now you have the anti-ICE stuff. And whatever the new, oh, and of course, you know, the Gaza stuff. So whatever the new cause du jour is, Antifa will be on the left side of it."
