CHARLIE KIRK & TUCKER CARLSON: DC neocons obsessed with Ukraine and fighting Russia

Tucker Carlson joined Charlie Kirk for a podcast interview on Kirk's show. They spoke about how to have moral clarity, the lack of it in government leaders, and why that has affected the war in Ukraine. 

Carlson started on the topic of government leaders in Washington DC and how they are not the same as their voters around the nation. 

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"The disconnect between Republicans in Washington and their voters is not getting narrower at all. It's really wide, Carlson told Kirk. "The issues that Republicans in DC care about, they don't seem connected to what voters think and that's never truer than on foreign policy." 

Carlson was able to interview several of the Republican presidential candidates last month in Iowa in a forum. He told Kirk about his experience in the interviews.  

"Their obsession with Ukraine and fighting Russia. I just don't think the average Republican voter -  I don't think every Democratic voter - honestly has any interest in going to war with Russia," Carlson told Kirk.  

Kirk responded, asking Carlson, "Did you feel the disconnect in real time? I mean you interviewed five or six candidates." 

Carlson reflected on the crowd in Iowa saying that there is "no appetite among normal people of either party for a war with Russia." 

Some candidates spoke to Carlson about their concerns about if Putin and Russia would start taking other countries, which he relayed to Kirk in the discussion. He gave an example of one candidate specifically who was worried about the United States' obligation with NATO if Russia invaded a NATO ally such as Lithuania.  

"We should just exit NATO," Carlson said to Kirk. "If the cost of being in NATO... is fighting for the sovereignty of Lithuania, that's insane. It's just not worth it."  

Carlson and Kirk both agreed that it was weird that the politicians were "not pandering" to the audience that appeared disconnected from the issue of Ukraine and instead were, what Carlson said was "pandering to their donors."  

Presidential candidate Vivek Ramasamy on the other hand, Carlson said, talked to him in the interview and also took him aside. Ramaswamy told Carlson he had lost a lot of support from the "billionaire class" because he was opposed to supporting Ukraine. 

Discussing the reasons for the disconnect and why the political class supports Ukraine, Kirk said, "I think they're just captured just by high society opinion." 

"Think for yourself," Carlson commented to Kirk about the political class. "It's like what are we getting out of this? How do we know when we've won? What's the point of it? If you can't answer three simple questions, then you're not really making an argument." 

Kirk commented, agreeing with Carlson, about Washington DC Republicans in general. He said, not necessarily referring to candidates on the forum, that the "most aggressive neoconservatives... have really messed up personal lives." 

"If you're kind of happy sitting in your living room with your wife and dogs, then you have a clear sight picture of what happiness looks like," Carlson told Kirk. "But if there's nothing at the center of your life, if you live your life online, if you don't really have real relationships with anybody, you've got a really distorted view of what the future should look like." 

The two went onto the topic of the COVID-19 vaccine and some of the adverse effects that it has had on some people such as myocarditis. Carlson was struck that nobody has apologized for mandating the vaccine for those who had to take it and suffered an adverse effect.  

"Nobody apologized. This blows my mind. I made a ton of mistakes... But the ones I haven't apologized for are the ones I don't remember," Carlson said. "[Having] enough self-respect to acknowledge when you're wrong - that's the root of your moral power. And not one person has gotten up and said, 'You know, I told the people of Connecticut Arkansas to take the vax and like some small, meaningful percentage of them were gravely injured by it... In some cases, it killed them. And that weighs on me.'" 

"If some person would do that. I don't care if it's a Democrat, Republican, Socialist, I don't care. I would revere that person for his honesty, but not one person has," Carlson added.  

Kirk replied to Carlson saying that the virtue of taking responsibility in humility is something that "nobody had in DC at all." 

"Humility empowers you. That's the sad thing that they miss," Carlson added. "Once you stop lying, you're filled with this weird supernatural power. That is totally true. And they should try that because you're not hiding all the time."