The Post Millennial's Editor at Large and investigative journalist Andy Ngo joined Human Events Daily with Jack Posobiec to discuss his upcoming true crime book “The Zizians: Inside a Trans Death Cult,” with investigation into the group uncovering disturbing network linked to multiple violent and even deadly crimes.
Ngo told Posobiec that the book, which is scheduled for release in October, is not intended as a political work but rather an account of what he discovered during his reporting. “People can really think of them as like, if Charles Manson was trans and all the members were trans,” Ngo said about the cult known as the Zizians. “They are linked to eight very violent, brutal deaths.”
Ngo's book grew from broader reporting into violence connected to extremist movements, noting that his investigation into the Zizians exposed a case he found particularly disturbing. “The book is titled The Zizians: Inside a Trans Death Cult,” Ngo said. “It comes out on the 13th of October, and it’s available for pre-order now wherever books are sold.”
Ngo noted that the project was written as a true crime investigation rather than political commentary, saying, “This is not a political right-wing book. I write what I discovered in the facts.” Despite years of covering controversial and violent subjects, the details uncovered during his research were especially difficult, he told Posobiec. “I've seen a lot of really disgusting, sick things over my decade working as a journalist, but I was really unprepared whilst working on this book, and it really nearly broke me,” Ngo said. “And so it’s a very dark subject.”
“Unmasked, my last book, the one about Antifa, I took a five-year break after that in terms of book writing because that subject was really dark,” Ngo said. Posobiec asked Ngo about the risks involved in reporting on controversial topics and whether publishing the book could make him a target.
Ngo said the danger was something he had already experienced throughout his career. “It does, and it has, but that’s nothing new to me,” Ngo said, explaining that researching the book required traveling to locations connected to the group and speaking with people involved in the case.
“Of course, it was quite scary in the course of investigating,” Ngo said. “I had to do field research. I went to places that are associated with this cult and sought out sources and witnesses and all that,” he continued. “That experience was not safe or easy.”
Posobiec also brought up the aftermath of Charlie Kirk’s assassination and the online reactions that followed, asking Ngo about what he described as a broader pattern of extremist ideology and violence.
"It’s actually very important for people to see that because part of what is behind the rise in violent trans-extremism and terrorism is that there is a feedback loop,” Ngo said.
Extremist beliefs can lead individuals to justify violence against perceived enemies, Ngo said, noting their "ideology that they’re victims of a genocide, and if you are against them in any way, you need to be eliminated,” Ngo said.
"Then when one of them actually goes out and commits violence and kills people, kills children, there are those who celebrate it and encourage it to the point where they make videos dancing and laughing,” he said.
The book examines how the Zizian movement developed and what he believes can be learned from the case.
“So, The Zizians is a book that explores this particular phenomenon and what happened in its logical conclusion and what we’re all at risk of if this problem is not addressed,” Ngo said.
Posobiec asked Ngo why some communities had not publicly embraced or claimed individuals involved in violent incidents connected to extremist ideologies. Ngo responded that, in his view, public affiliation was not necessary for ideological influence to exist.
“They don’t have to claim him,” Ngo said. “We’ve seen in the evidence that’s been presented by the prosecution that Robinson, in his writings, seemed to claim them as his community.”
Ngo said the writings demonstrated what he described as a belief system centered around taking direct action.
“He believed that he was needing to eliminate hate and he needed to take direct action,” Ngo said. “Which is exactly what they instruct people to do.”
“Andy, God bless you for your work, for what you do, for putting this one together,” Posobiec said. “Brother, you got to stay safe for me, okay?”
Ngo’s book “The Zizians: Inside a Trans Death Cult,” is set to be released on October 13 and is currently available for pre-order.
Ngo told Posobiec that the book, which is scheduled for release in October, is not intended as a political work but rather an account of what he discovered during his reporting. “People can really think of them as like, if Charles Manson was trans and all the members were trans,” Ngo said about the cult known as the Zizians. “They are linked to eight very violent, brutal deaths.”
Ngo's book grew from broader reporting into violence connected to extremist movements, noting that his investigation into the Zizians exposed a case he found particularly disturbing. “The book is titled The Zizians: Inside a Trans Death Cult,” Ngo said. “It comes out on the 13th of October, and it’s available for pre-order now wherever books are sold.”
Ngo noted that the project was written as a true crime investigation rather than political commentary, saying, “This is not a political right-wing book. I write what I discovered in the facts.” Despite years of covering controversial and violent subjects, the details uncovered during his research were especially difficult, he told Posobiec. “I've seen a lot of really disgusting, sick things over my decade working as a journalist, but I was really unprepared whilst working on this book, and it really nearly broke me,” Ngo said. “And so it’s a very dark subject.”
“Unmasked, my last book, the one about Antifa, I took a five-year break after that in terms of book writing because that subject was really dark,” Ngo said. Posobiec asked Ngo about the risks involved in reporting on controversial topics and whether publishing the book could make him a target.
Ngo said the danger was something he had already experienced throughout his career. “It does, and it has, but that’s nothing new to me,” Ngo said, explaining that researching the book required traveling to locations connected to the group and speaking with people involved in the case.
“Of course, it was quite scary in the course of investigating,” Ngo said. “I had to do field research. I went to places that are associated with this cult and sought out sources and witnesses and all that,” he continued. “That experience was not safe or easy.”
Posobiec also brought up the aftermath of Charlie Kirk’s assassination and the online reactions that followed, asking Ngo about what he described as a broader pattern of extremist ideology and violence.
"It’s actually very important for people to see that because part of what is behind the rise in violent trans-extremism and terrorism is that there is a feedback loop,” Ngo said.
Extremist beliefs can lead individuals to justify violence against perceived enemies, Ngo said, noting their "ideology that they’re victims of a genocide, and if you are against them in any way, you need to be eliminated,” Ngo said.
"Then when one of them actually goes out and commits violence and kills people, kills children, there are those who celebrate it and encourage it to the point where they make videos dancing and laughing,” he said.
The book examines how the Zizian movement developed and what he believes can be learned from the case.
“So, The Zizians is a book that explores this particular phenomenon and what happened in its logical conclusion and what we’re all at risk of if this problem is not addressed,” Ngo said.
Posobiec asked Ngo why some communities had not publicly embraced or claimed individuals involved in violent incidents connected to extremist ideologies. Ngo responded that, in his view, public affiliation was not necessary for ideological influence to exist.
“They don’t have to claim him,” Ngo said. “We’ve seen in the evidence that’s been presented by the prosecution that Robinson, in his writings, seemed to claim them as his community.”
Ngo said the writings demonstrated what he described as a belief system centered around taking direct action.
“He believed that he was needing to eliminate hate and he needed to take direct action,” Ngo said. “Which is exactly what they instruct people to do.”
“Andy, God bless you for your work, for what you do, for putting this one together,” Posobiec said. “Brother, you got to stay safe for me, okay?”
Ngo’s book “The Zizians: Inside a Trans Death Cult,” is set to be released on October 13 and is currently available for pre-order.
