Posobiec opened the conversation by noting the makeup of Trump’s delegation. “And we notice, of course, that Secretary Bessent was announced on the delegation. So I saw Rubio, JD Vance, Bessent, and, of course, Steve Whitkoff, as well. Notably, the Secretary of Defense, it appears, at least from what I've seen so far, doesn’t appear to be going.” He also asked whether trade deals could be part of the discussion. “It seems, though, that President Trump may be trying to offer some sort of trade deal to the Russians. We've seen this in the past with the Ukrainians to establish some sort of balance. We know that he's used trade deals in the past. Do you think that's something that could be on the table?”
MacGregor said he believes both Trump and the Russians are interested in normalizing relations. “We should have good relations with Russia. There is no fundamental reason for conflict between the United States and Russia. I think President Trump has always known that. Go back to 2015, 2016, and the statements he made then, they're all still accurate today.”
He emphasized the role of Besant in the delegation. “Bringing along Besant is a good thing because there’s conceivably an opportunity for some serious discussions about progress in that particular area.” MacGregor criticized NATO and European allies for prolonging conflict. “The problem, as I said before, is that this NATO alliance, which is frankly on life support, it’s a zombie, is more a burden than an asset now to us." He continued, "London, in particular, and MI6 working with the CIA and Mossad—they want war in Ukraine. But that's not in our interest. We have an interest in ending it and putting a stop to the killing. That's what President Trump has said. He can do that. But the only way to do that is to say, look, let’s acknowledge the truth on the ground. Where are the forces now? And we can agree to something.”
“You turn to London, Paris, and Berlin, and they want to shove this man, Zelensky, in everybody's face. And I don’t know about you, but the last time I saw Zelensky in the Oval Office, I wanted him to be picked up and thrown out of the nearest window. I thought the troll was despicable and disgusting and completely disrespectful towards the President and our country.”
“I think President Trump is in a position where he can come out of this and say, look, we've come to some arrangements on different levels. One, we want to talk again about nuclear weapons. And I think he would like to do that, go back to the INF Treaty, look at areas where we have mutual interest in ratcheting down the nuclear threat. Number two, we really do want to do business. And we want a framework for going forward regarding how we’re going to interact economically in the world, get out of this weaponized tariff business.”
He warned that progress could be blocked by European governments. “The problem is, then you get to Paris, London, and Berlin. And the only way we're going to make any progress with those people is if those governments are thrown out. They need to be thrown out because they’re killing their respective nations.”
Finally, MacGregor touched on what he sees as Trump’s core strategy. “I think he can come out and say, we’ve made some progress here. But otherwise, I’ve decided that we have done as much as we can do. And we are now leaving. We are pulling our forces out, our people who are in Ukraine. We’re getting out. And we’re suspending any future aid, unless it’s humanitarian, to Ukraine. Now, I don’t know if he can do that. But I think in his heart of hearts, that’s what he’d like to do.”
