Kirk was sure to express that it wasn't an argument he had, but a civilized conversation about the real situation that the US is facing at the moment. He suggested that the colonel held such a high view of government agencies because they were once noble. He noted that the political opposition to President Joe Biden would not have been hounded like Trump has in the 1980s, 1990s, or even the early 2000s.
"I'm afraid that a massive portion of the country is living in denial, that somehow this is all going to sort itself out back to the yearning of a decent or better or more serene America."
"You do not go after leading presidential candidates and raid their home. The left and the regime have moved so rapidly to change the country, using its old institutions made into skin suits. America was this amazing country for years and years, and we are still remarkable in so many ways. Our institutions are no longer remarkable. And what I've gathered by having this conversation, again, it's not a criticism of this gentleman. It was fair, and I think he would categorize it the same way, is that he believed in our institutions so much, and I can't blame him, because for most of his life, these institutions were legitimate, for most of his life in the 70s 80s and 90s, he remembers a country where the institutions were not completely captured, were not completely radicalized."
"And so I asked him privately, I said, 'What about Steve Bannon, who's facing years in pretrial detention with Jan 6 defendants...? He did concede he's utterly right. He said, 'It's changing. We still do not think the country will tolerate Donald J. Trump going to prison in any way, shape or form.' I see it differently. I see it differently..."
Kirk noted that it was still a mystery why the raid on Trump's home was not brought up during the Midterms. He went to suggest that the plot against Trump had possibly been planned a year before it actually happened, either by the "Aspen Institute or Silicon Valley, whatever."
He said that Jack Smith has been heavily involved, as well as Alvin Bragg, who he said "played a big role in moving the Overton Window." He went on to say that "we could have defunded the DOJ, we could have defunded Jack Smith."
He then mentioned that identity politics that has recently been injected into the US infrastructure, such as Ketanji Brown Jackson, who was really appointed to the Supreme Court, who Kirk characterized as "a moron."
Kirk noted that the former colonel said that "this country will go to civil war" if Trump ends up in prison. However, Kirk was careful to say that it wouldn't be right to descend into civil war just because one side didn't get their way. However, he left open the possibility that it could still happen. "It might be right by the way. It might be legit. I certainly hope not. That would be tragic. It'd be terrible witness."
