ObamaCare foul-ups lead to chaos at hospitals

ObamaCare foul-ups lead to chaos at hospitals

As expected, it’s chaos in the hospitals, as the disastrous system Barack Obama inflicted on America leaves medical staff uncertain whether patients have valid insurance.  This is yet another reason why it was important for the chief executive to stay on top of his signature initiative, and order the plug pulled when it became clear the system was not ready for launch on October 1.  But instead, as we all know, the Empty Chair just assumed everything was going great, and later claimed he was the most angry and frustrated person in America when he read the newspapers and discovered was a useless mass of bugs and unfinished code.

Judging by a report at the UK Daily Mailthere are people who would hotly dispute the President’s claim of being the most frustrated victim of the fiasco:

Hospital staff in Northern Virginia are turning away sick people on a frigid Thursday morning because they can’t determine whether their Obamacare insurance plans are in effect.

Patients in a close-in DC suburb who think they’ve signed up for new insurance plans are struggling to show their December enrollments are in force, and health care administrators aren’t taking their word for it.

In place of quick service and painless billing, these Virginians are now facing the threat of sticker-shock that comes with bills they can’t afford.

‘They had no idea if my insurance was active or not!’ a coughing Maria Galvez told MailOnline outside the Inova Healthplex facility in the town of Springfield.

She was leaving the building without getting a needed chest x-ray.

‘The people in there told me that since I didn’t have an insurance card, I would be billed for the whole cost of the x-ray,’ Galvez said, her young daughter in tow. ‘It’s not fair – you know, I signed up last week like I was supposed to.’

Hey, remember how the Administration was running around and claiming victory because the system was “fixed” after Thanksgiving weekend?  That was funny as hell, wasn’t it?  To this day, Obama’s team of liars claims they have no way of determining how many valid insurance policies have been sold through the ObamaCare exchanges.  They throw out a lot of crazy made-up numbers, which the media dutifully reports as if they were valid facts, but the one and only metric that actually matters for the moment is how many fully-processed policies have seen their first completed payment.  The people described by the Daily Mail are learning that the hard way.  Ms. Galvez said no one has even sent her a bill yet.

The Daily Mail goes on to speculate that Galvez wouldn’t be in much better shape if she did have valid ObamaCare coverage, because it stinks – she’d have to pay a $5,500 deductible before seeing any benefits from her “bronze” plan.  She’s paying a whopping $450 per month in premiums – or, rather, she will, when someone gets around to sending her a bill.

A similar situation frustrated Mary, an African-American woman small businesswoman who asked MailOnline not to publish her last name. She was leaving the Inova Alexandria Hospital in Alexandria, Virginia with two family members.

‘I had chest pains last night, and they took me in the emergency room,’ Mary said. ‘They told me they were going to admit me, but when I told them I hadn’t heard from my insurance company since I signed up, they changed their tune.’

She told MailOnline that a nurse advised her that her bill would go up by at least $3,000 if she were admitted for a day, and her doctor told her the decision was up to her.

‘Should I be in the hospital? Probably,’ she said. ‘Maybe it’s one of those borderline cases. I have to think that if I were really in danger, they wouldn’t give me the choice. But what if I think I’m covered and I’m really not?’

‘The emergency room bill is going to be bad enough.’

Remember, the stated reason Democrats are putting us all through this ordeal was to make insurance coverage available to people who didn’t have it before.  Those people are going to be exceptionally confused when they try to use their expensive new benefits and discover they’re still on the hook for enormous out-of-pocket expenses, to say nothing of getting turned away because the lousy Soviet-surplus computer system can’t even determine if they have coverage.

As for the people who used to have coverage, but ran afoul of Obama’s Big Lie and saw their plans canceled, Democrats are still trying to push back against this disgrace by claiming that “only” half a million people (the Obama Administration), or maybe as few as 10,000 people (congressional Democrats) will end the year without coverage due to ObamaCare.  Even that lowball number from the Democrat caucus is not at all what they promised, over and over again, when they were ramming the Affordable Care Act through Congress.  Also, those who lost their preferred plans and were able to make other arrangements before December 31 still count as betrayed by Obama’s Big Lie.  They were just fortunate enough to work something out with their providers, saving them from the hell of the ObamaCare exchanges… which, incidentally, received a 59 percent negative rating from users according to Gallup, with 29 percent “very negative.”  Let’s see how those numbers look after the hospital and clinic chaos of January.

More vignettes of confusion from the Associated Press:

In Burlington, Vt., the state’s largest hospital had almost two dozen patients seek treatment with new health insurance policies, but more than half of those did not have insurance cards. Minnesota’s health care exchange said 53,000 people had enrolled for coverage through its marketplace, but it was unable to confirm the insurance status of an additional 19,000 people who created accounts but did not appear to have purchased plans.

In Connecticut, officials were pleading for patience as call centers fielded calls from people who are concerned because they had yet to receive a bill for premiums or an insurance identification card.

“This is an unprecedented time, because there are a record number of people who have applied for coverage with an effective date of Jan. 1,” said Donna Tommelleo, a spokeswoman for the Connecticut Department of Insurance.

[...] Julie Cadorette, 63, of Maynard, Mass., said she has spent dozens of hours on the phone trying to find out the status of her application through Massachusetts Health Connect, which she said she sent by certified mail three months ago. Her current plan ends Jan. 31.

“It’s very hard to deal with them, they’re so behind,” she said Thursday. “When you call them, they ask you specific questions. You can’t ask them any questions.”

That’s pretty sad, considering that Massachusetts was already accustomed to the joys of State-controlled health insurance.  Remember how one of Obama’s campaign tactics was claiming Romneycare in Massachusetts was the model for his plan?  Somehow I don’t think you’ll be hearing much of that talking point in the future, now that ObamaCare has plunged even Mitt Romney’s old gubernatorial stomping grounds into chaos.

Just imagine how things must be going in a big state like California!  Oh, wait, we don’t have to imagine.  The Associated Press checked in with them, too:

In California, employees of the state health exchange were still going through some 19,000 paper applications sent in the early days after Covered California launched on Oct. 1, spokesman Dana Howard said. He could not say how many were outstanding.

The entire tracking system was “in a sort of chaos” Thursday as consumers tried to use or confirm their new insurance, said Kelly Fristoe, an insurance agent in Wichita Falls, Texas.

“I’ve got pharmacies that are calling in to verify benefits on these new plans that are getting incorrect information,” he said. “I have people that are calling to make their initial premium payment, and they’ve been on hold for maybe three or four hours at a time and then they get hung up on.”

And we’re only three days into this nightmare.  Depending on how seriously one takes the Administration’s claims of 2.1 million “enrollees,” and the failure rate for information relayed from the ObamaCare exchanges to insurance providers, we could be looking at 700,000 to 1 million people in coverage limbo.  Obviously, most of them haven’t tried seeing a doctor or filling a prescription… yet.  A report at The Hill says everyone in the industry is bracing themselves for a “spike” of activity next week, which is when gale-force winds of wackiness will truly begin howling across the fruited plain.  Wal-Mart and Walgreens are already offering to hand out a free month of prescriptions, with no upfront cost, to ObamaCare victims… er, customers… through the end of January.

And while the private sector he despises has once again saved Obama’s bacon, it doesn’t sound like doctors are going to play along with these seat-of-the-pants fixes for long:

Dr. John Venetos, a Chicago gastroenterologist, said there was “tremendous uncertainty and anxiety” among patients calling his office.

“They’re not sure if they have coverage. It puts the heavy work on the physician,” Venetos said. “At some point, every practice is going to make a decision about how long can they continue to see these patients for free if they are not getting paid.”

Did you enjoy President Obama’s caricature of your profession as a bunch of profiteering tonsil-thieving vampires back in 2009, Dr. Venetos?  Just wait until he tears into you after you start refusing patients due to ObamaCare insurance chaos.

It’s not just ObamaCare policy purchases in turmoil, either.  Both the Daily Mail and Associated Press mention the Medicaid applicants stuck in limbo because the system can’t process them, either.  Yesterday we heard of 16,000 Iowans caught in this Sargasso Sea of incompetence; the AP speaks of another 25,000 in Pennsylvania.

No doubt Democrats will portray all this as a small price to pay for the Great Health Care Leap Forward, having made an ice-cold political calculation that they can live without the votes of the people who spent hours of their valuable time fighting a bug-riddled system to buy insurance they can’t even use.  They’re gambling that general public discontent can be kept under control, while some the people suffering through January (and probably February) chaos can persuaded to forget their tribulations when it’s time to hit the ballot boxes this year.  They’re already trying to make everyone forget about the humiliating launch-pad detonation of the ObamaCare system in October.  But as we can see from today’s chaos, it matters that the system wasn’t ready for prime time when it was launched.  The shock waves from that botched rollout will rumble throughout the year to come.  And for some of the people who showed up at hospitals and clinics to use coverage that doesn’t really exist, the results are a lot more than merely “inconvenient.”

Update: If you think ObamaCare is confusing now, just wait until you try to add a new baby to your health insurance plan.  The statist geniuses who designed this boondoggle forgot to add that capability to the system.  It’s not so great at handling other “life changes affecting a consumer’s taxpayer-subsidized premiums” either, according to the Associated Press… such as “marriage and divorce, a death in the family, a new job or a change in income, even moving to a different community.”

Americans asked to refrain from doing any of those things until President Obama blows another hundred million dollars of your money updating the exchange software to add new features, such as a “Have you died recently?” check box for the subsidy calculator.

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  • Dustoff

    Plus another lie of so many.

    Contrary to Obama’s Claims, Insuring the Uninsured Via Medicaid Cause More to Go to the Emergency, Not Fewer

  • Dustoff

    Another slow death drip from O-dumbercare.

    Hospital staff in Northern Virginia
    are turning away sick people on a frigid Thursday morning because they
    can’t determine whether their Obamacare insurance plans are in effect.

    in a close-in DC suburb who think they’ve signed up for new insurance
    plans are struggling to show their December enrollments are in force,
    and health care administrators aren’t taking their word for it.

    place of quick service and painless billing, these Virginians are now
    facing the threat of sticker-shock that comes with bills they can’t

    ‘They had no
    idea if my insurance was active or not!’ a coughing Maria Galvez told
    MailOnline outside the Inova Healthplex facility in the town of

    She was leaving the building without getting a needed chest x-ray.

    Yeah geroge. O-dumber built this mess

  • Ida Cook

    Why are they going to hospitals and not a doctor’s office? Office visits are cheaper.

  • Concerned4America

    A quick calculation of $450/month x 12 months indicates that her deductable is more than her premium ($5500 vs $5200). Unless she is more accident prone than most she would be better off with no insurance than the bronze plan because unless you have a serious chronic illness it is hard to spend $5500 in a year.

  • Karl Magnus

    QUOTE: “Wal-Mart and Walgreens are already offering to hand out a free month of prescriptions, with no upfront cost, to ObamaCare victims… er, customers… through the end of January.” – J.H.

    Good for the PRIVATE sector, stepping up as usual to deliver us from the evils of BIG GOVERNMENT incompetence. When will WE be reimbursed for the approaching one billion dollar website alone? No Worries – The First Mooch gave the no-bid contract contract to her BFF from Princeton – gee, how did the axe-handle-wide Mooch get into THAT prestigious school? Lemme Guess.
    The Oil Companies are exploiting PRIVATE lands as never before for a reason – to save US from the evils of ♛ King Barry the Worst ♛ and his disdain for private enterprise. Of course HE has never worked a day in his “Choom”-infused life, but what the hey, HE knows what’s best for us and we should just roll over and take it. Nope. Sorry.
    It’s LONG past time to TAKE back OUR country from the foreign interloper.

  • Michael D Dirmeier

    Every state mentioned in the article went for Obama. Oh, alas-alack, having to live with the consequences of your vote!

    I do not feel even a tiny bit sorry for those folks. Yes, it’s a shame that they cannot get the healthcare they need, but their states [and probably they] voted for Obama, which means I have to live with the healthcare of which they approved, as do they.
    Maybe the key benefit of Obamacare is that it made a lot of people think before they vote.

  • Karl Magnus

    HOPEFULLY, the Law of Unintended Consequences will dawn on the ignorant masses. I’m not optimistic.

  • Karl Magnus

    Being directly in their backyard, I wonder why the Washington Post didn’t reveal this mess, but rather the Brits had to do it. I know I’m shocked.
    *cough* *cough*

  • DinaRehn

    Here are the big losers in ObamaCare
    New York’s small-business owners, seniors and doctors are among the big losers as President Obama’s prescription for health-insurance reform takes effect.

    The National Federation of Independent Businesses, an organization that represents nearly 11,000 entrepreneurs across the state, says it has yet to find a single member whose health-care costs are going down under the ObamaCare program, whose plans took effect New Year’s Day.

  • Tug Nutz

    they have been programmed from birth

  • KayK2

    Well we told people that insurance would get expensive and government would stink at running healthcare but received cries of rage from the left that we want people to die. If liberals would think with their brain instead relying on their feelings to guide them we wouldn’t be in this disgusting mess.

  • Dustoff

    Look at the unions, they went for O-dumber care and now they are yelling at the cost. The Boeing mess is showing the union/healthcare problem.
    Boeing wants out of healthcare, which leaves the union in the tank.

    Fools, be careful what you wish for.

  • DinaRehn

    Here’s a link to that story formatted for you – just take out the ‘$’ signs after the ‘<’ to get the html tags to activate:
    Study: Obamacare To Increase Emergency Room Costs, Not Decrease Them As WH Repeatedly Promised…
    Via NY Times:Supporters of President Obama’s health care law had predicted that expanding insurance coverage for the poor would reduce costly emergency room visits as people sought care from primary care doctors. But a rigorous new study conducted in Oregon has flipped that assumption on its head, finding that the newly insured actually went to the emergency room more often.

    The study, published in the journal Science, compared thousands of low-income people in the Portland area who were randomly selected in a 2008 lottery to get Medicaid coverage with people who entered the lottery but remained uninsured. Those who gained coverage made 40 percent more visits to the emergency room than their uninsured counterparts. The pattern was so strong that it held true across most demographic groups, times of day, and types of visits, including for conditions that were treatable in primary care settings.

    The finding casts doubt on the hope that expanded insurance coverage will help rein in rising emergency room costs just as more than two million people are gaining coverage under the Affordable Care Act.

    Instead, the study suggests that the surge in the numbers of insured people may put even greater pressure on emergency rooms and increase costs. Nearly 30 million uninsured Americans could gain coverage under the law, about half of them through Medicaid. The first policies took effect on Wednesday.

    “I suspect that the finding will be surprising to many in the policy debate,” said Katherine Baicker, an economist at Harvard University’s School of Public Health and one of the authors of the study.

  • Dustoff

    Cause the MSN doesn’t want American’s people to know the day after day truth of this whole mess. (-:

  • Dustoff


  • Karl Magnus

    And, if pigs had wings … .

  • JimWinchester

    Uh..I gotta pay…my own money….I’ve been having chest pains for 30years, I’ll be alright.

  • DinaRehn

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  • Candice

    Now are you Obama supporters beginning to understand why we fight it so hard?

  • AgTrotter

    Why aren’t the liberals howling at the inhumane suffering being inflicted by Soterocare. After all, it’s a form of Chinese water torture far worse than waterboarding.

  • Mike_in_Wasilla

    The liberals will insist that abortion policy be made based on the tiny percent of rape and incest cases but a few million Americans brutalized by Obamacare is insignificant. I am sick of the hypocrisy. We need a Final Solution.

  • Dustoff

    Another growing mess… Thanks O-dumber.
    Both the policy justification,
    and part of the Constitutional justification, for including the
    individual mandate in Obamacare is that the individual mandate will
    eliminate “free-riding,” in which the uninsured take advantage of free
    emergency-room care at taxpayer expense. This, from Judge Vinson’s

    So much for the EMTALA law?

    Did any of these jerks read one single piece of this messed up law.

  • greetingsfromyonkers

    I started saying this the minute the concept of Obamacare was announced, and I’m still saying it:

    “Obamacare will not give us more health care, or better health care. It will only give us more bureaucracy.”

  • Dustoff

    I wonder, would O-dumber have to wait?

    Doctor’s Office Spends 2 Hours On Hold With Health Insurer For Patient’s Surgery Authorization

  • AgTrotter

    Dusty, look on the bright side – I’m sure it was merely an emergency triple bypass. /s

  • AgTrotter

    “If you think ObamaCare is confusing now, just wait until you try to add a new baby to your health insurance plan. The statist geniuses who designed this boondoggle forgot to add that capability to the system.”

    You simply can’t make up this level of incompetence.

  • commonwealther

    Does this really shock anyone?? The VA has a backlog of almost a million claims, and they only treat our Veterans!!

  • Mary Lou

    This is definitely a “We told you so” moment!

  • Patrick Dalton

    Obama planned this all to start on January 2nd, and unfortunately those folks in the emergency rooms today, with no insurance, can’t seem to reach him–or anyone on-line, or by phone, to see why no one knows whether they are enrolled, or have paid for their insurance. And This is the same guy who says “he cares about the middle class”. It’s just too hard to reach him when he’s golfing, or out snorkeling on vacation, to find out just how much he really cares? Yes, this is a
    “told you so moment, Mary Lou”. Let’s remember in November!!!!!

  • Red Blues

    Sadly the majority of the supporters are not following this on line or in print… they are too busy trying to get their spot on “Paternity Court” approved by the show’s producers!

  • garysvent

    Meanwhile, the national dip**** who dreamt up this mess is scuba diving and golfing on the taxpayer. What a criminal!

  • garysvent

    What did you expect? Whenever more money for bureaucrats and politicians is involved, it becomes the sole purpose of the thing. Obamacare is not about health; it is about wealth — the wealth of the government.

  • Bruce Price

    I see a petition on the Internet to repeal ObamaCare. Yes, that’s a good idea. But why mess around? Probably the odds are just as good to repeal Obama. He’s not a legal president, is he? Why don’t the legal geniuses at Human Events lay out the various cases that could be brought against Obama’s legitimacy. State the odds of winning these cases.

    Here’s my sense of this whole thing. Obama gets away with the most amazing lies and claims. Five years ago he said that his best buddy Bill Ayers was “just a guy he saw around the neighborhood.” A really big lie but he got away with it, like it was nothing. So that encouraged him. Suddenly there is a birth certificate. Why not? The New York Times will say it’s real. Suddenly he goes gunning for Osama bin Laden even though many high-ranking people said the terrorist had already been dead for several years. No problem. Not one paper in America will question the hit. Every scandal that arises — turns out Obama had never heard one word about them until he read it in the paper. Then there are massacres with more discrepancies than dead bodies, in Colorado, Connecticut, Massachusetts. I’ve never seen any mention of a discrepancy in the mainstream media for any of these events. By this point Obama probably thinks he could claim ANYTHING you can imagine, and the New York Times would cheer him on. He’s living in a fictional universe, and now we have to live there with him.

  • lottopol

    “..In the USA we have attempted to deal with the combination of inelastic demand and unregulated medical care prices in various ways. One method of keeping medical care expense as a percent of GDP to “only” double that of other developed countries was to have a significant portion of the population uninsured and denied medical care in some circumstances. Obamacare will reduce the number of uninsured and untreated. However admirable this may be from a humanitarian perspective, absent price controls, it will exacerbate the cost problem. The existence of large numbers of uninsured (conscripts in the war against rising medical costs) did moderate the growth in health care costs. Now the number of uninsured and untreated will be declining and uncontrolled prices will be rising.

    HMO’s were once thought to be a way of dealing with the inexorable price increases. The problem is that HMOs have to compete against each other for services of doctors and hospitals. As long as medical prices are set by market forces, the inelasticity of demand will force market prices inexorably higher. In a “mixed system” with both free-market and controlled health care prices like the USA, prices inexorably are driven upwards to the market level as long as demand is inelastic. Prices such as payments from Medicare that are “controlled” have to be increased continuously with legislation such as the “doctor-fix” to stay competitive with market prices. Medical prices can only be effectively controlled either by direct price controls as in Japan or with systems where everyone gets care for “free” from the government (Canada, UK, France). In those countries only the extremely wealthy can chose not to use the government paid health services that they have already paid for with their taxes and patronize the relatively small market-priced sector. In those countries, forgoing the government priced system is not an option for almost all doctors, as it is in the USA.

    In some respects, free-market capitalism mixes with medical care almost as badly socialism mixes with agriculture. The economic failures of communism are well known, particularly the inability of state-run agriculture to provide even basic staples. In free markets “consumer sovereignty” directs the producers of goods and services to follow the dictates of supply and demand. As Adam Smith explained in 1776, no central authority coordinates the delivery of food and the plethora of goods that a major city like London needs every day. Rather, the “invisible hand” of competitive free markets results in an abundance of goods and services being provided to consumers in the most efficient manner. The “consumption” of medical care overturns many of the economic assumptions that underlie free-market efficiency. Usually, the conditions under which medical care is provided are the exact opposite of consumer sovereignty. In most cases the “sellers” i.e. the doctors, tell you, the “buyer” what and how much you need and set the price. The prevalence of third-party payers further removes medicine from the purview of the normal supply and demand market economics that prevails for goods and services whose sellers do not face inelastic demand.

    The price inelasticity of health care is also a consequence of the success of the medical science. Two hundred years ago, consultation with a physician did not significantly alter the outcomes of most medical conditions. Doctors could do very little for patients prior to 1800. Since then, the medical science has made tremendous progress. As treatments became more effective, people became willing to pay increasingly more for health care. It is quite logical that as doctors could do more and more to improve people’s lives; people would be willing to pay more for their services.

    From a humanitarian perspective this medical progress is great. However, in any unregulated market, the price of a product facing inelastic demand will eventually increase until the price reaches the elastic portion of the demand curve. For the USA, that would mean spending much more than 50% of GDP on health care. Most of those not engaged in the health care industry would see their standard of living plummet. This is politically unacceptable. Thus, well before the prices of health care reach that level the USA will join the rest of the developed world and control medical prices…”

  • Myrtle Linder

    It is fulfilling it’s purpose to make a total mess everywhere it is used. The only way we beat is “Everybody refuse it. They can’t put everybody in jail but if that is what refusal means you all can visit me in jail.. I probably won’t be allowed a computer.

  • DrNeelix

    Obamacare is the worse than anyone ever dreamed it would be. We need to remove everyone from their office in 2014&16

  • Phrygian1

    A 7 step program to start your day with a positive frame of mind:

    1) Create a file on your desktop computer or laptop.
    2) Call that new folder “Barak Obama”
    3) Right Click on the “Barak Obama” folder and click DELETE.
    4) When prompted by the dialoge box “Are you sure you want to remove the folder “barak Obama…”? Click YES.
    5) Watch as “Barak Obama” is whisked off into your recycle bin.
    6) Open the recycle bin and right click on “Barak Obama”, click delete.
    7) When prompted with “Are you sure you want to delete “Barak Obama”, click YES.

    Now you’re ready to start the day fresh, happy and in a positive frame of mind.

  • defender3

    Evidently Obama has forgotten that 98% of us are heterosexual in as much as he and his sick Administration forgot to add the ability to add a new baby to our health insurance plan. Man oh Man this dude is cool! Makes us proud doesn’t it that this cool dude rose to no less than the highest government position in the world. He can make millions if he ever leaves the Whitehouse just by selling his snake oil to all the other would be petty dictators all over the world.

  • Phrygian1

    What’s the big deal, we have an easy solution to this whole situation:


  • jd1958

    I hope every one that was turned away voted for the schmuck.

  • jd1958

    Muslims don’t have to pay for the Unaffordable Care Act. They don’t have to buy insurance for themselves. You have to buy it for them, pay for abortions even if it violates your objections based on your sincerely held religious beliefs. Velcome to Amerika!

  • JayC777

    “Why don’t the legal geniuses at Human Events lay out the various cases that could be brought against Obama’s legitimacy.”
    Because they’re weak-kneed cowards as well. Like most conservative pundits, HE is still in denial. Like progressives, on this and many other issues, they are backed into a corner. After incorrectly going along with the lie that Maobama was born in Hawaii, they will go to any length to keep the truth from shining a light on their cockroach like actions. Bill O’Reilly being the worst. He and Leis Wheil both flat out lied on his show and will not retract those lies.
    They’re all traitors.


    As Nancy said, ‘You will just have to wait until the fog clears before you see what in the bill’. (She smiles with confidence’}. If obama does not hurt, no one else hurts! Just pay your bill for services as millions did when they had private insurance.

  • trugrits

    Obama better shut his lips because people will know he is a lying sack of stupidity. Obama can’t lie when the truth is being revealed to everyone.
    Affordable care? What an outrageous lie that will go down in history as the largest fraud forced on the citizens by a president claiming it was constitutional.
    I don’t think people not getting what they were told is constitutional.
    This is the final straw that shall continue to show what a fraud this president and Congress really are. Now people can see why Obama made sure ACA didn’t take effect till after his final election.

  • Krista Johnson

    The Boeing mess is showing the union/healthcare problem.
    Boeing wants out of healthcare, which leaves the union in the tank.

  • trugrits

    $6000 deductible for the working citizen is the same as not having insurance. Living paycheck to paycheck people don’t have $6000 sitting around. Affordable health care? In whose distorted thinking is this true?

  • Trixie52

    Walmart and Walgreens are going to end up the losers because not all prescriptions are covered under ACA (one drug in each category will be covered + contraceptives). The uncovered drugs are subject to each plan’s deductibles.

  • Trixie52

    You probably cannot add a baby to your plan but have to purchase a separate new plan.

  • Dawn Harsley

    Boeing isn’t the only one sending their employees to the exchanges. UPS is doing the same thing, along with other large companies. It is cheaper to pay the $2K fine than live with Obamacare’s mandated levels of coverage.

  • Arminius

    And yet, they would have it cover elective termination.
    Somehow, there’s a message in there, yes?

  • Sharky

    Odummers – who the hell do you think

  • D Guest

    They don’t really want us to have babies anymore. Babies are too inconvenient, increase the population, and tend to make us more conservative.

  • Dawn Harsley

    That’s very true. There was an article sometime ago stating that people who had Medicaid coverage went to emergency rooms rather than waiting for a doctor’s appointment. The same held true with those who went to free clinics throughout the city. Their problems always seem to require immediate attention while the rest of us see our doctor. Emergency rooms are filled with anything from a toothache to a sore throat. It won’t change. Those on the dole “want it now”.

  • Dawn Harsley

    Stick with removing the Democrats. Remember, they had complete control of Congress when Obamacare was enacted. I don’t believe one Republican voted for it.

  • D Guest

    Except that things were not so bad before Obamacare blew them up.
    How about we increase the supply of care by improving and expanding medical education? How about we encourage innovation rather than discourage it, which price-controls do?
    I think a lot of people would pay a lot out of pocket if they could be cured of diabetes or cancer.

  • Dawn Harsley

    It is my hope that the Obama supporters have huge insurance premiums, no subsidies and can’t keep their own doctor. They deserve what they voted for.

  • Bill Hartman


    Inelastic demand does put upward pressure on prices. But not without limit and not without downward pressures that increase as the prices rise.

    True, if you have $50,000 and have a condition that will kill you quickly unless you spend all $50K on treatment, your demand is inelastic — you will likely spend the money, even if it leaves you broke. But if someone else offered the same treatment for $10,000 less, you would take that alternative. In other words, when inelastic demand drives prices up, it increases supply and encourages new (and different kinds of) suppliers.

    The problem with current medical care in America is that it is a government controlled monopoly. The government’s interference is not limited to blocking competition. It also gives healthcare providers special exceptions from normal commercial common law. If you buy a hammer, you must be told the price before you buy it, and are given the opportunity to refuse to purchase once you know the price. Of course. But you can be billed additional expenses by your provider which were never discussed, and they are considered valid enforceable debts regardless of the size.

    By paying for much of America’s medical care, the government blocks the normal give and take of price discovery that exists in other industries. In other words, anyone covered by Medicare has no reason to be concerned with the expense involved in their care. And contrary to popular belief, the government has no actual reason to want the costs to remain low either. The more money spent by a bureaucracy, the more powerful it becomes.

    This exactly the situation under any “single payer” system. Since no one has any reason to consider the pros and cons of paying any particular sum, there has to be some limiting factor, somewhere, in the system, or it would grow in an unlimited manner. That limiting factor is popularly called “death panels”.

    In other words, socialized medicine has exactly the issue which you (incorrectly) ascribe to free market medicine.

    You are also over-estimating the inelasticity of medical care. Just like any other human want or need, there are multiple ways to meet any particular challenge. Perhaps even more so in medicine. There are hundreds or even thousands of treatments possible for any particular situation, with varying probabilities of success, probabilities of various side effects, and costs.

  • D Guest

    Studies just showed that it actually increases the free riding.

  • Bruce Price

    RE: “HE is still in denial.”
    An interesting assertion. I would like to hear the editors respond to it.

  • Mama62

    This is a bunch of crap. If you signed up and have not received your cards that’s not President Obama’s fault. If you go to the hospital under any circumstances without proof of insurance you can be expected to be told that you may be responsible for the bills or turned away depending on the type of hospital you go to You know what the old saying says about assuming. . That happened before Obama care. If insurance companies are slow to get the packets out, contact them. IF you go to the hospital l without a policy number for them verify, what do you expect? What would these people have done before Obamacare?

  • regulus30

    does anyone other than a communist sycophant of obama ever think it would be different? this about destroying your home, your job, your spirit , your childrens’ future;; this is one evil pric666ck

  • Mama62

    Call the insurance company You purchased an insurance policy underwitten and provided by a privtae sector company, not the government. The government is not running your health care, insurance companies are, just as before.

  • Mama62

    Call your insurance company to add your baby. Simple. Just like it has always worked with private coverage. The inurance you bought on the exchange is private insurance.

  • Mama62

    Drs and hospitals have to start telling people that once they have insurance, they an no longer come to the emergency room unless it is an emergency. It will take time for some to change old habits.

  • AgTrotter

    And, you believe that bull-reid because?

  • lottopol

    In the USA the demand for the $50,000 life-saving treatment is inelastic especially when it may be difficult for someone to know the same procedure was available elsewhere for $10,000. In a country where most people lived on less than $1 per day the $50,000 life-saving treatment would be in the elastic portion of the demand curve. Likewise if the treatment cost $10,000,000 in the USA the life-saving treatment would also be in the elastic portion of the demand curve.

  • AgTrotter

    Good grief, you are a complete loon.

  • AgTrotter

    Yes, you simply must be right – nothing is ever Barry Sotero’s fault. He can take credit for Soterocare, but gawd forbid he be held accountable for its mess. Loons like you should be held accountable for this mess. You voted for the suit-less Man-Child, now you should be responsible.

  • disqus_kfieT5umNU

    You voted for Hope & Change and you got it!!!!

  • burnt press

    Every Senator and House Representative should be voted out of office ASAP

  • TalkDoc

    My father died because of this. The ER was overwhelmed… I could describe it in greater detail but I won’t… it was pathetic… I can’t even begin to describe what I observed that day… and the fact that it cost my father his life??? I can’t find the words what CA has opened the doors to… which is why we moved to TX where people still operate from a basis of sanity.

  • mrmagic1947

    Mama62: You are only partially correct – tho the actual policy is issued/underwritten by an insurance company, that company must abide by the 15,000 plus pages of regulations that obamacare has generated. So what has happened is that the regulations that insurance companies MUST adhere to do not allow, or make it nearly impossible, to add a new child or make other changes in coverage that had once been very simple. All due to the law, not the insurance companies. Remember, we couldn’t read it until we passed it comment by piglosi. Well, this mess is what we have because of that.

  • Dawn Harsley

    I am so sorry for your loss. Unfortunately, more people are going to die before this is over. Our sympathies to you and your family.

  • miscast

    Who in their right freakin mind doesn’t build in the ability to expand or contract members on an insurance policy??? A new baby, or someone dies…Woops you have to start all over again.. Guess what the costs will be different next time… This was the point all along.. To destroy the insurance companies and move to a single payer system.. We have to stop this now…

  • babsan

    Like if this Muslim Plant Fraud gives a damn.He DOESN’T and the Obama voters get what they wanted a DICTATOR who only cares about himself,his vacations,golf and Muslim Brotherhood.The rest is just the people which he considers DUMB the way he talks to them

  • Dawn Harsley

    Unfortunately, emergency rooms have to treat all of those who come. I agree that if someone has a tooth ache or a cold they should be told to make an appointment with their doctor. I believe hospitals are afraid if they don’t treat everyone and it turns out more serious, they will be sued. We have a sue happy society especially among the welfare crowd.


    Tell me, again, why we cannot have the same medical coverage & benefits provided to our POTUS and Congress.

  • Joe

    It may just be a rumor but some say President Obama is going to release some prisoners from prison and they will be paid to assist the Dr.’s and dispense pot for the pain of Obamacare. Could be just a rumor but sounds like the truth knowing this administration.

  • Ronald Simmons

    OK Im not to worried about the dems that voted for this RAT at the first or last election. BUT. If someone should die because he did this can you please have that none-president Arrested and charged with murder? This Kenya born assassin that is more a member of the Muslim Brotherhood then an American. My money is on he is adopted.
    They are talking about Impeachment but only if we get the votes at the next election. STUPID arrest him now. Whats that nobody in Washington to kick him out of the White house? Im sure we can get the families of the people he has already killed from his incompetence and the ones that are in pain and will die soon and trust me there will be. A LOT.

  • Ronald Simmons

    OH by the way who was it that but down TED CRUZ?

  • TPS12

    You get what you vote for and sometimes for not voting.

  • Ronald Simmons

    Well hell let Bloomberg pay for it he pays millions to get guns out of the hands of honest people. So what? So they can get shot by criminals that have guns so they can go to the hospitals to what? To die from Obammy’s healthcare that was shoved though the Senate.

  • Ronald Simmons

    You must be on some of those Obammy drugs lady. Ask the IRS who is in charge. The Rat Obammy has the government right where he wants it. And has you to play along.

  • Ronald Simmons

    He should be made to pay back every cent. To the Penny.

  • Ronald Simmons

    Guess what? TOO LATE.

  • Ronald Simmons

    I said this would happen YEARS ago when he was first elected. Did you not listen to his preacher. I mean Death to Americans should have given a clue.

  • Ronald Simmons

    HAHAHA Those people don’t read. They are sheep and are told what to do.

  • Ronald Simmons

    Thing is i dont want it and millions are feeling the same now. Time to have a 3 million man march on Washington. The birth certificate was fabricated I say he was born in Kenya well gee Kenya said he was born in Kenya. In one of his speeches the Rat said he was born there. But i will take it one step farther. He was adopted there.

  • Val

    There are some nice “hangin trees” in the front yard of the WH. !

  • defender3

    Simple is as simple does!

  • Bill Hartman

    I agree that in the USA demand for life-saving treatments in the $50K range is fairly inelastic. But only because of government interference in the healthcare marketplace, not because of any inherent characteristic of medicine. Posting prices is discouraged and price guarantees are contrary to law.

  • steve51

    Boy, if there ever was an example of the “second law of thermodynamics”
    Obamacare is at the top of the list.

  • steve51

    Weak spin attempt mama. You need to see a therapist for your illness. Maybe you can use your non existent Obamacard. You’re the one that’s a bunch of crap.

  • steve51

    You haven’t been paying attention. reading comprehension is not your friend. Just keep believing & allll your dreams will come true.

  • justinwachin

    Obamacare is demonstrating what happens when government tries to imitate free enterprise. Government just isn’t able to competently manage the health care industry.

    Hopefully the Obamacare failure will wake people up and lead to an outbreak of privatization of government services such as Amtrack, public radio and research funding.

  • steve51

    You forgot the -$5 billion a year Postal Service.

  • steve51

    Get lost troll. That boat don’t float.

  • steve51

    Did you buy some of that Colorado pot? Sure looks that way.

  • justinwachin

    I’m not the only one who has forgotten the Postal Service. Electronic communications have greatly reduced the amount of mail delivered by the Post Office to my mailbox. Electronic communications are instantaneous and free; the Post Office doesn’t seem to understand how fast and free could put them at a competitive disadvantage. Yes, you are right. It’s probably time to contract mail delivery out to a commercial delivery company.

  • Mindy Robinson

    Don’t you worry about the millions that lost their health in or those of who are paying triple what we were paying for it. This is all the fault and the intent of the thug in chief and you helped him. This is going to get much worse, much worse. You might want to to keep your lips zipped about the part you have played in the suffering that has been and will be.

  • Mindy Robinson

    I didn’t have to wait , I read it. The worst is yet to come.

  • Mindy Robinson

    They can’t call the insurance company directly. Tell you what, you need to go read obamadeath and if you don’t you have no right to vote or even be in this country.

  • Mindy Robinson

    Lol! We all need more people like you, your humor cools the burning anger.

  • poptoy1949

    As time goes on this will become the Biggest FIASCO ever put on the American People. All of this brought to you by the votes of people in Congress that belonged to ONE Political Party. People will really be upset when the Death panels start to Kick in .

  • IT OUT IT 22


    ————CAP-stone ‘planned’ —’K—OZ’.

    Keep fighting over that junk medicine,
    under CHEM-trailed skies, in a blast furnace
    of microwave surveillance, eating GMO ‘food’,
    taking AUTISM weaponized ‘VAC–scenes’. . .

  • Joe stalin

    The socialist and the leaders are reaping what they sowed.good for them. How stupid do you have to be to have an insurance policy with a huge deductible and think doctor visits and the like are covered. We are not only non-racist, but also dumb. We got what we voted for.. Now suffer.

  • jacket06

    Obama Care has gone from SNAFU, to FUBAR in a very short period of time!

  • David Thomas

    Liars figure and figures lie!!!

  • popseal

    KING PINOCCHIO is the personification of ‘evil genius’. Everything he touches causes somebody pain and his support seems to grow stronger. What evil power lurks behind that bean pole of nefarious design? Is he a Soros sock puppet? The anti-Christ? Nah, I think he isn’t smart at all, but I do believe he is a front for worse than any of the above.

  • Dustoff

    I guess some-how mama, you missed this law along the way (EMTALA)

    I’m quite sure you understand little about healthcare.

  • Dustoff

    As I posted before mama, you understand “little” about health care or the laws that define it.

  • Dustoff

    As a ER flight nurse. I can tell you it’s hard. We must treat everyone and way to many times, they swamp the ER.

    Illegals are the biggest problem in CA alone.
    Two major southern Calif hospitals have folded because of this

  • teapartydoc

    We will get health care we can afford in a genuine competitive market only after government medical licensing is abolished.

  • Dawn Harsley

    I’m sick of the bleeding hearts who believe illegals have “civil rights” in the US. They’re here illegally, they have no “civil rights”. Let them go back where they came from for their civil rights. Unfortunately, this Administration is flaunting the law by not enforcing the laws on the books. What’s new?

  • Dwight Billingsly

    northern virginia, which went heavily for obama, deserves this. mary, the black woman in northern virginia who you know voted for obama deserves this even more.

  • Arminius

    Insurance was tolerably well run before ObamaCare.
    Now, it is a shambles.

    Progressive Democrats designed this execrable program. They hired other progressive Democrats (oftentimes, donors or college cronies) to design the software system. It was passed in Congress without any Republican input, nor any Republican votes.
    You created the monster. OWN. It. And the electoral tsunami to follow.

  • Arminius

    Not a single physician in my community, to my knowledge, plans to accept new ObamaCare enrollees.
    And that’s just one town.
    Check around, and see how many primary care practices, or multi specialty practices will be taking them.
    Trust me, you won’t need more than your own fingers to count them. And you’ll have digits left over, when you’re finished.

  • Dawn Harsley

    To make matters even worse when finding a doctor, many of the insurance companies on the exchanges are very limited in the # of doctors and hospitals in their network. In Ohio, some 400K additional individuals will now be eligible for Medicaid. Most doctors limit the # of Medicaid patients they see now. It isn’t going to get any better. These individuals may get Medicaid coverage but no place to use it. Stupid. Now Obama is mad at his Supreme Court nominee, Sotomeyer for putting a hold on mandated contraceptive coverage for Nuns. Apparently Bishops got a waiver but not the Nuns. Go figure. He wants to get the “hold” lifted. Does Obama actually know that Nuns are a religious order, not a bunch of sex crazy females? What a dipstick.

  • Dawn Harsley

    Same sex couples also have children, either through adoption or a serogate or by artificial insemination. He was so interested in providing contraceptives and sterilization free of charge and forget about the babies couples decide to have. Perhaps he thought everyone would use birth control and there would be no new babies. Too bad his mother didn’t use contraceptives. We’d all be much better off.

  • Dawn Harsley

    Of course Obama will blame the insurance companies. After all, he can’t blame George Bush for this mess and he would never take responsibility for anything. It is always somebody else’s fault. Why, oh why didn’t his mother use contraceptives? What a happy thought.

  • Dawn Harsley

    Hell, Congress didn’t even read it. John Conyers, a leading Democratic Congressman, said some time ago in an interview that he didn’t understand why voters expected Congress to read it and if they did, most wouldn’t understand it anyway. The sad part is that he continues to be reelected.

  • Douglas H. Book

    And are Republicans screaming every day at the top of their lungs that ObamaCare must be repealed?? Of COURSE not. These gutless members of the Democrat-lite Party are just as interested in dictating to the American public as their Marxist brothers across the aisle. So they will pretend to “fix” ObamaCare, for the greater good. As a result, Republicans will allow what should be a Democrat blood bath at the polls turn into another year of Republican losses in the Senate as the GOP squeaks by and continues to control the House (by a smaller margin, naturally.)

  • eewell

    This is the law of Intended Consequences

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  • Concerned4America

    It is called fascism. The government makes the rules and the insurance companies take the blame when things go wrong.

  • gregio

    The ones that go to the ER without any insurance ID will be the ones that wait the longest and the first ones to be shuttled to the “urgent care” vans in the back of the hospital. The ones that actually have a billable ID card get treated like everyone else, so of course they will show up as an increase. The real “surprise” will be in the state budget when those ER visits get added to the state expense collumn, after the “free” federal money runs out of course. Those states that took the free money will have to “deal” with it of course, a classic bait and switch by the feds.

  • gregio

    Excellent comment,and that is why the complete repeal of this mess with all of its progressive regulations should remain a top priority if and when the voters get their heads out and stop voting for progressives. Maybe this “ACA” will be the wake up call that wakes up the cool aide drinkers that their lives and liberties and their pocketbooks are all being trashed by these social “navigators/ parasites/ progressive politicians”……

  • rebelyell4

    We’re hoping Boeing will expand here in SC. Don’t worry though folks. I see insurance to cover those high deductibles right around the corner. AARP has got to be right around the corner. They’re watching Obama’s back for him, don’t worry.

  • rebelyell4

    Remember when the demigods decided that hiring “contractors” was a really bad thing? It didn’t just apply to making war. A great deal of I.T. used to go through small contractors. When they went for the big socialistic Canadian firms for Owhocares, they put all their eggs in one perfect basket. Now these contractors have found work making more elsewhere and none with any real knowledge will work for the administration.
    After all, when you deal with real facts all day you may vote for a democrat or two, but those that deal with facts look for them in their own lives too. The democrats are afraid to hire folks that lean towards real facts. Therefore, they will never get real jobs done.

  • rebelyell4

    Yeah, they allow all the pot you can get, but you’ll have to move to Colorado. maybe she’s already there?

  • Redleg7

    and if my aunt had gonads ……

  • Jack Dillon

    The Amerikan left intended this fiasco. They kill two flows: information and revenue. Down comes the current health care system, and health insurance industry, and then the government steps in with nationalized health care, the one payer system these idealists have wanted from the beginning.

  • sandraleesmith46

    Except they didn’t have the same rules before; Obamacare policies don’t cover kids under 2 on family policies.

  • W.S. Lester, USMC Ret.

    Ah YES, another one of Mr. Obama’s many Failed Attempts, with getting Obama-care off the ground, and running smoothly. If it were this American Born Patriot in the Presidency of Our Nation, and I do realize that it is not me, However, if it were me, then this Travesty of an attempt, at providing health care to the American Citizenry/Society, would NOT have remotely been, liking to what Obama care is suppose to be, or mind you, what Obama care Is NOT!

  • garysvent

    If only! Return of Jaws!

  • Hawkeye72

    Boy,have you got it right.

  • IT IT UP

    CHECKED OUT those talks with
    veteran Brit microwaves and WiFi
    ———————-HOLOCAUST whistleblower
    ————————————BARRIE TROWER———————-yet?


  • Karl Magnus

    I hope for their sake that YOU don’t!

  • 83footsailor

    What about this Lady mentioned by Rush Limbaugh on Thurdsay oir Friday – in reference to her ability to obtain Medical Services – she went to the Hospotal to obtain those services – was told she didn’t have mdeical insurance but had signed up for OBONZO – CARE – no card to prove such signing. !!!!!!!.
    Sounds like OBONZO – CARE is fu9rther in trouble than expected. !!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • BuckCarson

    Only over our dead bodies.

  • fueler335

    I haven’t much sympathy for the “gimme,gimme,gimme” crowd. They are getting EXACTLY what they deserve. Healthcare is not a “right” it is a privilege. I work hard all week long,AND pay a premium to have this privilege. My Dad taught me early on,that no one owes me anything.

  • Lorraine George

    Dare I say, I told you so? Well I do feel sorry for these folks but they wouldn’t listen. We all tried to tell them. They called us racists, and tea baggers, instead of tea partiers not to mention a lot of other terrible things as well. Our Dear President who has got to be the most stubborn person on earth refused to listen. Instead he vilified the Republicans for everything instead of trying to work with the other side. He shut us out when this terrible law was being considered instead of allowing the other side to bring options to the table. I guess the left got what they wanted- mass chaos.

  • anothercrawfish

    Democrats lied and people died, or will soon enough.

  • lowCal90

    If healthcare is so important to Obama, why has he only met with the Secretary of Health and Human Services once in the last four years?

  • FAITH47

    I wonder why they name this Obamacare as Affordable care act?Most people they can not afford to have this kind of insurance.REPEAL AND REPLACE THIS Obamacare, this is just a FRAUD.

  • FAITH47

    Obama does’nt have any feeling towards the American people, he wants us to suffer.So when election time comes don’t vote for the leftist.Senate and Congress.

  • The Roadster

    Here we find a run-of-the-mill liberal describing the roll-out of Obamacare that worked to impose upon the people:

  • redwolf6911

    Just wait until insurance polices start being cancelled by small businesses and then the large corporations. Just before the midterms. I predict a bloodbath for the Dems. Be sure and thank them for this mess and destruction of our lives and kick their butts out of Congress at the midterms.

  • itsabouttime1111

    where were all the whiners? lol lol
    Six million lost coverage on first day of Bush Medicare drug program

  • itsabouttime1111
  • Davis Rivas

    Because we paid for their coverages. Who’s gonna paid for ours. LOL. Certainly not those millionaire congressmen.

  • Davis Rivas

    You still have to paid up to 5000$ deductibles even with proof on insurance. That stupid Obozo woman voter will be in for a rude awakening if she thought obamacare’s gonna pay for that 3000$ procedure.

  • Lowell

    I read the article — sounds like there were a lot of “whiners”. lol lol

    And Bush did the same thing that Obama is doing — trying to make the private sector pull his fat out of the fire. lol lol

    Only this time it is the whole healthcare system, not just prescription drugs for medicare. lol lol