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Akin: ‘I will remain in the race’

Akin: 'I will remain in the race'

UPDATE Tuesday 1:55 p.m. EST: Missouri GOP Senate nominee Todd Akin appeared on the Mike Huckabee Radio Show Tuesday afternoon and announced that he would stay in the race against Democrat Claire McCaskill.

Akin, in what can only be characterized as  a state of denial, explained that he didn’t believe he should step down because he “misspoke one word in one sentence on one day.” Later Akin explained that it was an “overreaction” to expect him to step down for putting “one word” in the wrong place.

The congressman, of course, didn’t misplace a word or misspeak, he made obtuse and offensive (and what is likely politically suicidal) comments that will be roundly used to condemn him for the next three months. Moreover, the unpopular McCaskill, perhaps the luckiest politician in the country, can turn the words of Republicans on Akin, as well.

Huckabee asked Akin how he would run now that GOP groups have pulled out funding from the race. “What we’re seeing now,” he explained, “is a tremendous outpouring of support” from an “active and engaged grassroots movement” that will “stand up for what America is about.” He went on to say that his campaign was taking a stand that would “strengthen the country and the Republican Party.”

As proof of widespread support, Akin cited a recent poll conducted by the left-wing PPP — who, in an unheard of development oversampled Republicans in their poll – to abet Akin’s fantasy. A Survey USA poll, on the other hand, found that 54 percent of statewide respondents said Akin should drop out of the race and 55 percent don’t believe he “misspoke.” Not surprisingly, 76 percent disagree with his comments.

Well, as of this point, nearly every conservative and Tea Party group and nearly the entire Republican Party — including nearly every high profile GOP Missourian, including Roy Blunt, John Ashcroft, Kit Bond, John Danforth and Jim Talent – have called for Akin to step down. Without question, Republicans now face a tough road to regain the Senate.

UPDATE Tuesday 9:30 a.m. EST: Late Monday night, Missouri’s Republican senatorial candidate Todd Akin released a campaign ad (video below) asking voters to forgive him for the controversial remarks that threaten his Senate campaign. “I used the wrong words in the wrong way, and for that, I apologize. As the father of two daughters, I want tough justice for predators. I have a compassionate heart for the victims of sexual assault. I pray for them.”

Reportedly, vice presidential candidate Paul Ryan called Akin, presumably asking him to leave the race.

Self-flagellation on television does not exactly exude the kind of confidence voters look for in a candidate. But the real issue for the GOP is no longer forgiveness, but rather winning what should have been a slam dunk. A poll conducted yesterday by the liberal-leaning Public Policy Polling still has Akin — who was leading by over 10 points in some polls before the controversy — up one point over Claire McCaskill. What will polls say after a few weeks of ads that not only point out his comments, but also quote Republican money establishment figures bashing Akin? Moreover, at this point, with nearly the entire Republican established lined up against him, it will be almost impossible for the candidate to run a traditional campaign.

UPDATE Monday 5 p.m. EST: A long-time Missouri GOP insider tells Human Events that Akin is planning a prayer vigil for Monday night and meeting with his staff as he searches for a more graceful way to step out of the race. The source believes that Akin is coming to terms with his limited options and the prospect of the beleaguered candidate staying in the race past tomorrow is unlikely. What happens if he steps aside? John Gizzi explores the options.

UPDATE Monday 3:55 p.m. EST:  Akin told Sean Hannity Monday afternoon on his radio show that, “I was told that there is a decision has to be made by 5 o’clock tomorrow, but I was calling you and letting you know that I’m announcing today that we’re (staying) in.” Akin said that he still believes he’s in the “strongest position” to win. Without support from the national party and the money that comes with it — not to mention, his own inanity – he is most definitely not in the strongest position to win. In fact, if he does follow through on his promise, he’s probably putting GOP control of the Senate in jeopardy. And now, Sen. Claire McCaskill will be able to run ad after ad quoting GOP lawmakers calling on Akin to leave the race. No doubt, Akin may still pull it out, but it will have a lot more to do with President Obama and McCaskill than his own compromised campaign.

UPDATE Monday 2:20 p.m. EST: So we had a full day of Republican Senators calling on Todd Akin to step aside. Scott Brown said:  “There is no place in our public discourse for this type of offensive thinking.” Ron Johnson said Akin “should do the right thing for the nation and step aside today.” Mitch McConnell called Akin’s statements “totally inexcusable” and “wildly offensive” and that the congressman should reconsider his candidacy. John Cornyn, Chairman of the NRSC, asked Akin to move aside — nicely. Karl Rove’s Crossroads GPS has pulled out.

Republicans have essentially pulled all national funding from Akin’s campaign.  (Though Akin’s Twitter account is still asking for donations.  “I am in this race to win. We need a conservative Senate. Help me defeat Claire by donating.”) So it’s not surprising that there are reports that Akin is preparing to step down tomorrow.

Though nothing official has come down from the candidate, it’s difficult to imagine any  scenario in which he can continue to run an effective race — even against a candidate as weak as Claire McCaskill. If he steps aside, Missouri’s GOP state central committee would pick Akin’s replacement. Potential replacements include Sarah Palin endorsed Sarah Steelman and some people are talking up Jim Talent.

Whenever a politician uses the words “legitimate” and “rape” in tandem that politician has already lost whatever argument he’s in   — and, in this case, he threatens to do considerable political damage to the pro-life cause and his party. So it goes with Missouri Republican Senate nominee Todd Akin, who, in an interview, engaged in a profoundly ridiculous conversation to explain his pro-life positions.

It seems to me, from what I understand from doctors, that’s really rare. If it’s a legitimate rape, the female body has ways to try to shut that whole thing down. But let’s assume that maybe that didn’t work or something: I think there should be some punishment, but the punishment ought to be of the rapist, and not attacking the child.” Akin backpedaled, saying he “misspoke” with “off-the-cuff remarks.”

A Romney spokesperson told CBS News, “Governor Romney and Congressman Ryan disagree with Mr. Akin’s statement, and a Romney-Ryan administration would not oppose abortion in instances of rape” and Romney told the National Review that the comments were “inexcusable.” That won’t stop the Obama campaign from trying to connect Akin to the campaign. And really, who can blame them for trying?

What most frustrates me about people who use pseudoscientific gibberish to make pro-life arguments is that they already have science on their side. Akin could have simply answered: Rape is a brutal crime, but compounding one tragedy with another does not undo the horrifying act. Though cases of pregnancy fr0m rape and incest are rare that doesn’t make the suffering of the victims any less devastating. But it also doesn’t change the fact that the vast majority of abortions are performed for the sake of societal or personal convenience. Science unequivocally tells us we are dealing with a vulnerable new life. How we deal with that new life says a lot about our morality.

That debate is for another post, though. Politically speaking, Akin might still might beat Obama acolyte Claire McCaskill if he stays in the race. But do conservatives really want a senator with these awful political instincts representing them? It’s one thing to bend to the mainstream media when they hype up innocent comments or take them out of context — but that isn’t the case this time.

Do conservatives want to risk losing a chance to take back the Senate by allowing these comments to fester until November? There is no God-given right to be a politician. If Akin cares about the issues he professes to care about he would step out of the race today.

Can Akin hurt Romney/Ryan? Yes. As National Journal correspondent Major Garrett reported, Akin’s comments make the Romney campaign “nervous”: “Democrats … are going to make the point, as they have consistently, that Mitt Romney and his own approach to abortion, even though it has evolved over time, may be out of step with where the majority of the country is from the Obama campaign’s point of view.

But Romney’s positions (today) aren’t out of step with Americans. A recent Gallup poll (see below) found that the 41 percent of Americans identify themselves as “pro-choice” is one percentage point below the previous record low in Gallup trends. Fifty percent of Americans now call themselves “pro-life” — one point shy of the record high. Allowing Akin’s comments to become the baseline for the political debate on abortion is dangerous for Romney.

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  • Altosackbuteer

    Akin, an essential element of forgiveness is atonement and restitution.
    ***
    YOUR restitution will be marked Paid In Full ONCE YOU RESIGN.
    ***
    How can we forgive and forget you IF YOU WON’T GO AWAY?

  • Brian_in_VA

    Right on. Commiting murder does not do anything to atone for the rape. If you are angry about the rape, take it out on the rapist.

  • Liberal Soup N Crackers

    I have no problem condemning the murder of a baby who had no control over the circumstances of his or her conception. There is always the adoption option.

  • HoundOfDoom

    While I don’t think he should be tossed because of one stupid statement, the GOP so badly mishandled this that Akin has to go if we are to have any chance to pick up this seat.

  • Brian_in_VA

    How can you call a baby a “problem”? You are a monster. You hide your desire for legal abortion of convienence in the murder of a crime victim. Wretch!

  • Altosackbuteer

    NOBODY’S BLAMING “the victim” here/
    ***
    But, SOME people ARE saying that sometimes, life is tough. If I walk across the stteet, get hit by a car, and lose my leg, no one would blame ME for losing mhy leg. But I’d still be missing a leg.
    ***
    Life is like that. Sometime the innocent and the blameless suffer. Get used to it.

  • Liberal Soup N Crackers

    How do you sentence an innocent child to being unwanted, unloved and a victim of a hard hearted society?

    How do you sentence an innocent child to a violent death in the womb?

  • Cool_Hand_Luke

    Another White Male sacrificed on the Altar of Political Correctness. Not
    the Human Events of old.

  • Brian_in_VA

    Bingo, hit them with the truth!

  • Altosackbuteer

    No — but Akin himself was trying to imply JUST THAT, so that he could duck out of answering a tough question.

  • Liberal Soup N Crackers

    After first hearing the comments I was outraged and embarrassed. After thinking about last evening, I am less so but it was still a bone headed comment that will probably cost him the election.

  • george

    I can tell the Republicans are in
    trouble when FOX and Friends are pretty much mum on this. And the House member
    going wild in Isreal and skinning dipping gets no mention too. I guess they got
    Murdocks orders. In his no-holds barred desire to smear President Obama with
    just about anything he can throw, Sean Hannity as usual attacked President
    Obama’s remarks about Rep. Akin by pretending that Obama had plucked some
    “relatively obscure” Congressman out of the crowd to scapegoat. But
    Hannity knew full well that Akin – whose shocking remarks about women not
    getting pregnant from “legitimate rape” – were the focus of a huge
    political firestom. As for Americans identify themselves as “pro-choice as
    stated in this article, this is quite misleading. On issue after issue, the
    polls have moved to the left. But not on
    abortion. In 1995, Gallup found that 56 percent of Americans identified
    themselves as pro-choice, while 33 percent identified themselves as pro-life.
    That gap closed within three years, zigzagged a bit, and by last year stood at
    49 to 45 percent, a narrow pro-choice plurality. In a May 2012 poll, however,
    50 percent of respondents call themselves pro-life. Only 41 percent call
    themselves pro-choice. Advocates of abortion rights, responding to the Gallup
    report, point out that calling yourself pro-life doesn’t mean you support every
    restriction. The “vast majority of Americans continues to support legal
    abortion in all or certain circumstances,” observes NARAL Pro-choice America,
    adding that “other independent polling shows little change.” NARAL cites data
    from the Pew Research Center showing that most Americans still think abortion
    should be legal in most cases. Planned Parenthood offers the same rebuttal: “A
    majority of Americans still believe abortion should remain a safe and legal
    medical procedure for a woman to consider if and when she needs it, and these
    fundamental views have held steady for more than a decade.”Polls don’t settle
    what’s right and wrong. But they do challenge our assumptions about the
    structure of beliefs. When public opinion turns toward reproductive freedom and
    equal rights for women but continues to oppose abortion, it punctures our
    dismissal of pro-life sentiment as a vestige of right-wing sexism. Spin and
    soundbites won’t make the evidence go away. Sooner or later, you’ll have to
    face it.

  • Brian_in_VA

    Sooner or later, you’ll have to face it, you are creepy.

  • george

    whats baloney is you trying to defend this statement. . If it’s a legitimate rape, the female body has ways to try to shut that whole thing down.

    Even JOE BIDEN COULD NOT TOP THIS.

    What goes around, come around.

  • Brian_in_VA

    Oh, ok. I didn’t see the part where he was referencing gang-rape over a two month period.

  • reddarin

    “Do you consider more than thirty two thousand pregnancies”

    Wait.

    You have repeatedly said that claiming rape after consensual sex is a lie not rape. That’s all well and good but the fact is if a woman says the word rape the investigation ends there as far as statistics are concerned.

    And that is not the only kind of illegitimately claimed rape either. Ever heard of statutory rape? We have an explosion of underage pregnancies that are counted in those 30k numbers too.

    For some reason fertility clinics, the experts in getting pregnant and staying pregnant, think that a woman experiencing trauma and emotional distress *will* and *does* affect her ability to avoid miscarriage *and* she wants the baby.

    Akins was right even if he allowed himself to stupidly answer a question honestly since no one running against a liberal is going to get a fair shake in the MSM.

  • JayC777

    What a friggin’ moron. Joe Biden has topped this … on numerous occasions.
    Jay
    The fact that you deny it shows what a mindless lemming you are.

  • JayC777

    Hey, he had a little gaffe. People are making a way bigger deal out of this than it really is. Progressives, and some knucklehead Republicans even, need to get a life.
    Look, based on some of the latest SCOTUS rulings, I believe that under the commerce clause abortion can be made illegal in all circumstances.
    Jay
    Who the hell else is going to pay for future SS, Medicare/Medicaid, Obamacare, public employee benfits, etc.?

  • PowerToThePeople

    He is moronic! Akin is an albatross around the neck of the GOP. He is a disgrace.

  • http://www.facebook.com/SteveTuc Steve Tucker

    Valid point or not, he should drop out. There are two other viable candidates that make this seat winnable still. Democrats will never call out one of their own (i.e. Biden, Pelosi, Reid, list goes on…) but will pound this guy until November. Unfortunate he said this, he needs to bow out.

  • fsamuels

    Nope, the trauma of a rape does not prevent conception.

  • fsamuels

    Don’t forget though that consent can be revoked mid act.

  • fsamuels

    A fetus is not a child.

  • Brian_in_VA

    You would say pretty much anything to keep abortion for hoped-for indiscretions legal huh? Not that Mr. Forest has to worry about procreation.

  • KentPerry

    He was talking about LEGITIMATE RAPE STATISTICS ! because pro baby killers like to add the many false allegations of rape to their overall argument so it doesn’t look as rare as Pro lifers say it is but THIS guy anticipated that argument by saying legitimate rape. In the context of a typical abortion rights debate, that phrase is used all the time

  • Raymond Supper

    Not a gaffe – he represents the mainstream ideas of the Republican Party regarding all women’s issues.

  • Brian_in_VA

    You have correctly distilled the problem to the clear truth. Akin had the courage to buck media and liberal establishment and state his beliefs which value life. If voters don’t respect that then we are not worthy of such men as Akin.

  • http://www.facebook.com/aemoreira81 Adam Moreira

    Akin…your 11-point lead in the polls (according to RCP) is gone…step aside and let a stronger candidate take your place.

  • http://www.facebook.com/aemoreira81 Adam Moreira

    Rape statistics are always disputed because so many rapes are never reported. That is why homicide is the only reliable crime stat.

  • Brian_in_VA

    You’re not out organizing your OWS march today? You are the disgrace, tool.

  • http://www.facebook.com/aemoreira81 Adam Moreira

    What the hell is a legitimate rape? All rape is criminal, last I checked! And rape can be measured objectively through a rape kit or the age of the victim.

  • Brian_in_VA

    Harsanyi is flying his moderate colors boldly. I have no respect for a “conservative” publication that does not value LIFE, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. To HE: if you take away LIFE, you throw away the other two as well and people struggle to differentiate you from the leaders of the French Revolution.

  • Brian_in_VA

    I say this with all due consideration and respect. Ann was wrong this time and has fallen on her own sword.

  • Brian_in_VA

    If Rove and McConnell cared about America half as much as they care about themselves, they would have kept their mouthes shut. Why won’t they stand for LIFE, liberty and the pursuit of happiness?

  • Brian_in_VA

    Ok, so let’s legalize bank robbery and rape as well, because we can’t stop them, right?

  • TheSkalawag929

    No one said adoption is a bad thing. It’s just that it can’t keep pace with the number of unwanted children being born.

  • Liberal Soup N Crackers

    1. Nobody has suggested removing contraception as a choice for women.
    2. Abortion is murder.

    Perhaps you should advocate slaughtering all the new born infants that are born so that they could avoid a life growing up in an orphanage or foster home. There really is no real distinction between that and your earlier stated position.

  • Liberal Soup N Crackers

    In the mind of a murderer, that is true.

  • Michael T Lyster

    What an a**hat.
    Thanks, Akin for scorching the earth and depriving Republicans of an easy Senate pickup.
    Self-absorbed jerk.

  • reddarin

    I believe he is misquoting Chairman Obama from his Little Red Book.

    What he meant to say was punished with a baby:

    “[talking about his daughters and pregnancy]…if they make a mistake, I don’t want them punished with a baby.”

    –Obamao

  • george

    Not as creepy as Akins. I had to
    look at FOX and just laugh at how they keep their viewers in the dark.

    He’s staying in and will probably win.

  • MicahStone

    The issue is bigger than one idiot politician who makes idiotic remarks – the issue is doing whatever it takes to remove the WORST PRESIDENT IN AMERICAN HISTORY and remove dingy-harry from (mis-)control of the Senate so the country can survive.

    Missouri had an open primary. The d-cRAT socialist party, and especially the TAX CHEAT OBOZO-suck-up mccaskill campaign, encouraged their puppets to vote for Akin, since mccaskill was a lock, and Akin was considered the easiest to defeat. According to an article on today’s Drudge Report, the d-cRAT socialists spent $1.5 MILLION to help Akin win.

    Add to this Akin’s idiotic remarks and opinions, no rational person should need any further reasons why Akin MUST STEP DOWN so a LEGITIMATE, viable candidate can run against mccaskill.

  • reddarin

    “How do you sentence an innocent child to being unwanted, unloved and a victim of a hard hearted society?”

    Whew!

    I see what you are saying. Infanticide is far, far superior an option to chaining society with these babies.

  • TheSkalawag929

    Yes there are people trying to outlaw contraception. Republican legislatures across the country are trying to ban contraception by passing personhood laws.
    Abortion being murder depends on two definitions. Murder and what is a person.
    Your last statement is just over the top and silly. No one in their right mind would advocate killing new born babies. By your reasoning adoption will take care of unwanted children so there should be no need for orphanages and foster homes.

  • TheSkalawag929

    Despite what you may believe, a baby born to a woman that doesn’t want the child is often considered a problem BY THE WOMAN that birthed the baby. You call me a monster because I don’t want an innocent life brought into this world to be abused in contrast to your selfish condemnation of that same life to a life in a cold cruel world with no one to care for it.
    No. I see you as being the monster.

  • Brian_in_VA

    Legitimate can mean genuine. If you bother to try to understand what he was saying, you could easily see that is how he was using the word.

  • TheSkalawag929

    No. In the mind of a person that doesn’t see personhood beginning at the same time as you.

  • StanW

    No, you are being called a monster because you advocate for killing a child that MIGHT be unloved or unwanted.

  • http://www.facebook.com/aemoreira81 Adam Moreira

    Taking that definition into account…every rape is still genuine, last I checked (unless falsely reported). You either have objective evidence of it as indicated by a SAFE, SOAC, or PERK (collectively, rape) kit, or the person is underage.

    As such, the term for an illegitimate rape is: perjury.

  • 1LonesomeDove1

    Yeah, he proposes the death penalty as opposed to a tough life that has formed the great characters of many famous people.

    Maybe he should take his own advice….whaddya think?

  • TheSkalawag929

    Of course they can define them any way they like.
    But will their definition be acceptable to the court system which is in charge of making the determination of their correctness?

  • Michael T Lyster

    Not true. The demand for adoption is quite high, and outstrips the availability. State adoption services tend not to facilitate, but rather to impede the process, in the name of ‘protecting children’, but in fact simply to justify their bureaucratic existence. Don’t bother with the sputtering objections; I’m an adoptive parent, and I’ve seen the process through others as well.

  • Brian_in_VA

    There are misfits or sociologists who are advocating infanticide. We even have a president who refuses to condemn it.

  • reddarin

    psssst. The candidate was talking to a reporter not giving an opening statement in a court case.

  • http://www.facebook.com/aemoreira81 Adam Moreira

    Yes, English is my native language and legitimate has an objective, open-and-shut definition that is not open for interpretation. Legitimate is or is not. Context does not matter.

  • 1LonesomeDove1

    Isn’t it funny how regressive men (when we disagree)……tell us there’s no way we can know how a woman feels about this, cause we’re not women?

    Then the same regressive man proceeds to tell us how a woman feels about this.

  • NidhoggRocketman

    “Your last statement is just over the top and silly. No one in their right mind would advocate killing new born babies.”
    ***
    As he was the only Illinois state senator who vocally advocated allowing survivors of botched abortions to die, you have just admitted that BHO is out of his right mind.

  • TheSkalawag929

    The only thing that I am advocating for is the right of a woman to control her own body.
    It, in my opinion, is not a matter of whether I agree with her decision but her right to make decisions concerning HER life and body.

  • fsamuels

    My comment has nothing to do with abortion. I wanted to make it clear that if a woman says “yes” it does not mean that if she later says “no”, you still have her consent.

  • Brian_in_VA

    You are advocating for her to have a right to terminate another woman or man. You are advocating for that woman or man to have no right to life or liberty. Wretch!

  • reddarin

    “but Akin himself was trying to imply JUST THAT”

    Akin: “But let’s assume that maybe that didn’t work or something”

  • TheSkalawag929

    I agree that there are two cultures here but that is as far as it goes.
    You stake a claim to some imagined moral high ground of worth and dignity of human life. I on the other hand dispute your claim as to when life begins.
    And I totally don’t get what WW2 has to do with anything.

  • TheSkalawag929

    Agreed Adam

  • http://twitter.com/CHHR01 CHHR

    I’ll just bet you get legal recourse, medical care, and even qualify for disability though. Your right, life isn’t fair, your lost leg gets much more public consideration than a woman raising her child after rape. Thanks for your perspective though, you just proved my point.

  • TheSkalawag929

    If that male or female resides inside a woman’s body. YES and YES.
    Calling me names doesn’t make one bit of difference to me. But it does give a bit of insight into YOUR character.

  • http://www.facebook.com/DrMWolf Michael Wolf

    White.
    Christian.
    Male.
    All requisite adjectives in defining the only non-protected demographic in downwardly spiraling 2012 America,

  • http://www.facebook.com/DrMWolf Michael Wolf

    Abstinence and chastity are now completely off the table.
    Even among conservatives.
    Sad, and ultimately, society destroying.

  • http://www.facebook.com/DrMWolf Michael Wolf

    Embarrassingly ignorant comment.

  • MsMaryC

    Good for him! With felons, rapists, sexual harrassers, extortionists, cronyists, and murders in the Demoncrap party, I do not think we should condemn a man, who at heart, is defending innocents. He might have done it stupidly, but he did not break any laws, like the Demons, who brush everything off with “it’s only about ________”.

    The Establishment Republicans need to back off this!

  • StanW

    No you are not. You are advocating the woman have the right to control the body of another completely unique person’s body.

  • Brian_in_VA

    By the way, you should change your moniker to Powertothepeoplewhohavebeenborn.

  • Citizen_Jerry

    I wish him well, but I wonder what will be Republicans’ excuse if he’s shellacked by that waste of space Claire McCaskill.

  • 1LonesomeDove1

    Gasey was a democrat who worked on the Carter campaign, but we can go through history and name Jean-Jacques Rousseau, Tecumseh, James A. Michener, J. R. R. Tolkien, Billie Holiday, Tina Turner, Art Linkletter……uh, should I continue?

  • 1LonesomeDove1

    He has also advocated for the murder of what have turned out to be some famous black personalities.

    I wonder why he’s so racist?

  • http://www.facebook.com/DrMWolf Michael Wolf

    Not liking the cowardly “Comment hidden due to abuse reports”.
    Looks like Human Events is willing to be dictated to by the always ignorant Left.

  • 1LonesomeDove1

    And it’s you who wants a baby killed for what she/he “might” become. You’re playing God.

  • pennpa

    You could probably add another hundred examples of democrat indiscretions, improprieties and crimes. Wilber Mills , JFK, Gary Condit and the ever affable Bill Clinton are just some examples. I’d like to think that even in the sewer that has become American politics, one party has some sense of honor and dignity.

  • george

    Oh this one is big. And you know
    it. There is nothing to deny. This idiot is about to cause a war between the
    establish Republicans, the tea party Taliban and women.

    YOU KNOW ITS BIG .

    You better turn on Fox and cover your
    ears.

  • reddarin

    *You* said abortion is preferable to chaining society with the baby.

    Care to link to any proof of your ridiculous remark about Republicans and babies?

    I’d have to double check but I am pretty sure it was liberals that put the Catholic Church out of the adoption business.

  • Cool_Hand_Luke

    Test.

  • Concerned4America

    I question his medical advisers or science if you wish but if what he has been told is true he was just making the point that abortion as a result of rape may not be that big a problem. Like I say, question the science but people take a chill pill. Don’t need to endorse what he said but for the GOP to jump in half cocked like Obama when he is still leading may not be smart.

  • Concerned4America

    Mother Teresa said that any nation that allows the killing of its unborn children is capable of any atrocity. Or something to that effect. Strong words from a little lady that have always stuck with me.

  • redwolf6911

    Democrats want him to stay in for a reason.

  • TheSkalawag929

    You do have trouble staying on point. But I expected that. You got nothing so deflect, change the subject or make stuff up.

  • TheSkalawag929

    You and I don’t agree on what is or isn’t a baby. That isn’t going to change so I’ll just let that go.
    Just because YOU say that I’m playing God don’t make it so.

  • 1LonesomeDove1

    I agree that it’s all just opinion, but you’re stating your opinion as though it’s fact….which is fine, as long as a life isn’t stopped because of it.

    And a baby is “life” in or out of the womb.

  • 1LonesomeDove1

    What point did I deflect from? I named several “valuable” people, which you ignored completely.

    Did I make those names up? If you believe so, then you’re even more delusional than I thought.

  • http://poorwilber.blogspot.com Poor Wilber

    This is so discouraging. Mr. Akin certainly proves beyond all doubt he has the necessary narcistic ego and self serving agenda to become a successful US Senator.

    The secret to political wisdom is to think stupid things, while disciplining yourself not to say them into a microphone.

    Akin says he’s “in it to win it”, while it seems to me he’s hell bent to do exactly the opposite. In one foul swoop, he’s snatched defeat from the jaws of victory.

  • 1LonesomeDove1

    In addition……

    Ya see, this is your reasoning.

    When you name names, it’s a point. But when I counter you with names, it’s not a point.

    This is what you regressives do, because you never want to be wrong, and you’ll do/say whatever it takes to avoid it, even if it makes you look foolish.

  • TheSkalawag929

    Nope that is just the way you’re hearing it not the way I’m saying it.
    What does the law say on the point of life. You claim to be for the rule of law. Or is that only when the law agrees with your point of view.

  • TheSkalawag929

    We can go back and forth naming names of people on either side of the issue and it won’t change a thing.
    It is still not your choice or mine unless YOU become pregnant. Then YOU will have a choice to make.

  • 1LonesomeDove1

    It won’t change a thing, but you’re the one who tried this tactic first.
    It doesn’t mean anything “now”…..that I countered you with names you didn’t consider before you posted.

    And I never said it was my choice, but if the government intends to pay for killing with my tax money, it does make it my business.

  • 1LonesomeDove1

    Sell that bridge somewhere else.

    I have the right under the Constitution to disagree with the law, and as for your side….whenever the law doesn’t agree with your morality, you sue in court.

  • Dustoff

    It appears YOU do since it was removed

  • TheSkalawag929

    It’s called working within the system. You should try it sometime instead of threatening Second Amendment remedies.

  • Dustoff

    BINGO…

  • Dustoff

    isn’t a baby
    **********************

    It’s alive. Typical lib’s. Spare a killer, but kill the baby

  • reddarin

    This is really weird. Ed replied to me a little while ago and when I viewed the comment at HE it was already flagged and hidden. And his reply had nothing objectionable in it at all.

  • 1LonesomeDove1

    We do work within the system, but that doesn’t mean we can’t disagree with it.

    It’s you who doesn’t work within the system, for example:

    I don’t believe democracy is a good thing, but you guys believe that’s what we’re supposed to be when we’re not.

    Trouble is, you don’t even believe in your beloved democracy, because when the majority vote against you, you sue the majority.

  • Dustoff

    So who is going to ask the question, why was a dem using Craigslist to use boys for his sex acts.
    That’s the real problem, instead of a person who (in the words of so many dem’s) Misspoke.

  • 1LonesomeDove1

    It’s been happening over on DC too.

  • TheSkalawag929

    Whatever. If that helps you sleep at night so be it. It still doesn’t make you right.

    There are NO tax dollars being used for abortion.

  • Dustoff

    Like using KIDS for sex acts. Dem’s at it again!

  • reddarin

    Yeah, when I saw Ed’s innocuous comment flagged I figured it had to be a glitch with Disqus.

  • TheSkalawag929

    No it’s just two sides naming names and getting nowhere.

  • 1LonesomeDove1

    I didn’t say there were any tax dollars being used for abortion. This is another regressive trait…..to state a point your opponent never made.

    I said if that’s what my government intends to do with this health care deal, then that makes it my business.

    You guys take the cake.
    You want us to work within the system, then complain when we do. What you really want is us to work according to “your” opinion, and nothing else.

    And…..same to you. If what you say helps you sleep at night so be it. It still doesn’t make you right either.

    And I’ll sleep just fine. I have no infant blood on my conscience.

  • Dustoff

    Hmmmm what did he say? Or are they getting tired of him getting the tar beat out of him, because of this dumb comments.

  • 1LonesomeDove1

    Then why did you start?

  • reddarin

    What?! Yes it is.

    You are very uninformed.

    One of the first things Obamao did when he took Office was send tax money to Mexico for abortions.

    http://www.lifenews com/2009/02/08/int-1077/

    Aside from that little gem, Planned Parenthood is the biggest provider of abortions in America and it gets tax money. Money is fungible.

  • Dustoff

    Really… so how many rep’s use the W/H to cover up having sex with a young girl. Or even Rape

  • Dustoff

    So a NON-answer mean LD won.

  • 1LonesomeDove1

    BTW……what it is is one side (you) naming names and getting well countered, then not wanting to do it anymore.

    ;-D

  • Dustoff

    ODD statement at best. When we seen dem’s doing all they can to shut you up… Yeah that thing called free speech.

  • 1LonesomeDove1

    Well, I didn’t know he had been flagged until I tried to check to see if I needed to edit spelling on the dashboard and couldn’t because my post wouldn’t show up.

    I had to go to the web page and that’s when I saw what was happening.

  • reddarin

    Dang. Disqus is crashing for sure. I already deleted the email and the dashboard is screwed up.

    It was a fairly short answer with no profanity and no real insults. Completely tame.

  • 1LonesomeDove1

    I didn’t make the claim that they funded it, because I had no source available to back it.

    I didn’t even know Obama sent money to Mexico to kill babies, but why not?
    He already murdered Mexicans with F&F.

  • Dustoff

    Yeah I heard they were having problems.. FOX too

  • Dustoff

    LOL… listen to you.

  • 1LonesomeDove1

    I checked TheSkalawag’s post too, and in all fairness, there wasn’t anything offensive in his either.

    I don’t see any reason why they needed to collapse it.

  • 1LonesomeDove1

    I guess you don’t want to tell us why you decided to start.

    LOL!!!!!!

  • reddarin

    Yeah. I remember when he did it because there was of course, outrage. I think I was taking on a pro-murder-baby troll at the time here on HE.

  • reddarin

    First I thought it was just my response to him because that was the only one flagged. I thought maybe I’d been misunderstood to be in favor of the trolls infanticide cheer leading.

    Then boom boom boom, mine, yours and his were flagged.

  • 1LonesomeDove1

    I believe someone doesn’t like discussion on abortion period.

    Or it could be just a coincidental Disqus glitch.

  • reddarin

    Nah, too widespread to be targeted. Now, if it were just the SkallTroll and Ed_Troll that’d be different :p

  • 1LonesomeDove1

    Yeah, that would look bad on us.

    LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • 1LonesomeDove1

    I wonder where widdle ed went to anyway? Probably by himself in his back yard kickin’ a can and mumbling…..

    “There WAS a Clinton surplus. I know there was. I hate those guys.”

  • reddarin

    lol yeah

  • reddarin

    lol

    His friend probably showed up asking for that $20 he’d loaned him and Ed explained that while he didn’t have the $20 he was in fact operating at a surplus because the GAO said so.

  • http://www.facebook.com/aemoreira81 Adam Moreira

    So Todd Akin and Kerry Gauthier meet in a room somewhere in the upper Mississippi River valley together and ask—how can we best and most innovatively blow up our party’s chances of taking a chamber of the legislature?

    (brainstorming)…EUREKA! I got it! (Then each performs his folly.)

    I wish that Akin had gotten out; it’s now a dead heat in MO, and this makes Massachusetts suddenly important. For similar reasons, Kerry Gauthier will have to go too.

  • TheSkalawag929

    ???

  • TheSkalawag929

    Just because you’re in the majority doesn’t make you right.

  • TheSkalawag929

    I don’t have any blood on my hands either so I won’t have any problem sleeping either.

  • TheSkalawag929

    Planned Parenthood doesn’t provide abortions and they are forbidden by law to use tax dollars for abortions anyway.

  • 1LonesomeDove1

    Just keep tellin’ yerself that.

  • 1LonesomeDove1

    Who said “I” was in the majority?

  • TheSkalawag929

    My point was that we could go back and forth naming names as reasons for and against abortion but it will lead to nothing fruitful. So to continue would accomplish nothing.

  • TheSkalawag929

    I don’t know since I’m not privileged to that information if exists at all.

  • 1LonesomeDove1

    And my point was that you should have thought of that before I slammed you with those names you didn’t know about.

  • jagscl

    He’d better win and the Republicans better take the Senate or Akin can kiss politics good-bye in the future.

  • TheSkalawag929

    You say non-answer. I say appropriate.

  • TheSkalawag929

    It leads to nothing but naming names. An exercise in futility.

  • 1LonesomeDove1

    Then again…..you should not have started it in the first place.

  • TheSkalawag929

    I haven’t seen dems trying to shut anyone up. That’s a repub tactic.

  • StanW

    Planned Parenthood does not provide abortions? Seriously, is that your statement?

  • TheSkalawag929

    Yes???

  • TheSkalawag929

    I don’t have to repeat to myself what I know to be true.

  • 1LonesomeDove1

    Them stop repeating yourself.

    Now….is it my turn to make a pointless post to which YOU can respond, or would you rather continue?

  • TheSkalawag929

    You did when you said ” …when the majority vote against you, you sue the majority.”
    I’m guessing that you meant you were in the majority because I wouldn’t sue myself if I was in the majority.

  • TheSkalawag929

    You are making bad assumptions based on unfounded conjecture.

  • 1LonesomeDove1

    You didn’t understand what I was saying. I was talking about (I can’t believe I have to explain everything) you as a member of the left….when the left takes a gay marriage to the ballot box, and the people vote it down, the left takes it to court because (what they perceive to be) democracy worked against them.

    You don’t believe in the democracy that you preach to others.

  • TheSkalawag929

    You’re right I shouldn’t have. I presumed that I was conversing with a rational person. My Badd.

  • StanW

    Coming from a person that believes that Planned Parenthood doesn’t perform abortions, you have no room to discuss rationality!

  • TheSkalawag929

    I should have said that Planned Parenthood doesn’t use tax dollars to provide abortions because they are forbidden by law to do so using tax dollars.
    My mistake.

  • TheSkalawag929

    I’m not repeating myself. I’m just replying to your comment.

  • 1LonesomeDove1

    No, what you’re doing is trying to get the last word, and you’re replying to my comment by repeating the same answer.

  • TheSkalawag929

    You are full of yourself. Just because you lose the first go around doesn’t mean that you are wrong.
    Take for example Roe v Wade. That case was decided by the Supreme Court decades ago but that doesn’t seem to deter Pro Lifers from trying to get the law overturned.

  • 1LonesomeDove1

    Well, if I’m irrational about this being pointless, are you now changing your opinion that naming names is an exercise in futility?

    Do you want to continue then, or just insult me some mote like a big boy.

  • 1LonesomeDove1

    Explain. And if you can’t explain, then you’re making a bad assumption based on unfounded conjecture.

  • TheSkalawag929

    I guess you didn’t get my last post before you posted this.

  • svenskson

    I haven`t read all the posts here. Has anyone broached the subject yet that maybe this is a plot orchestrated and financed (big campaign contributions) by DNC/White House? Wouldn`t put it past them.

  • 1LonesomeDove1

    What did I lose. If I lost, then why are you still in the debate?

    Roe v Wade is a dead issue, and you’re the one who’s bringing it up.

  • StanW

    Not my fault you are slow to respond.

  • TheSkalawag929

    If you respond to this I want you to know that you will have had the last word as I will not respond again.
    Now does that make you happy?

  • 1LonesomeDove1

    Nice try, slick. Don’t you want to hang around and insult me some more?

    Insults always mean yer more smarter ya know.

    LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • :/

    What? Of course a baby can be a problem. It does not detract from the kid and his or her positive qualities to acknowledge that parenthood is a huge responsibility. One that can lead to serious negative consequences for someone not financially or otherwise prepared to handle it.

  • Stentorian_Commentator

    It looks like my comment from last night was deleted, so I’ll repeat it this time without helpful suggested changes to Mitt Romney’s body in the hope that it will remain.
    I’m glad Akin has stayed in the race. By “legitimate” I am pretty sure he meant a violent rape as opposed to a form of statutory rape, a poor choice of words, but one for which he has apologized. Also, he passed on the urban myth among pro-lifers that a violent rape somehow prevents conception. I can sympathize with why pro-lifers have grasped at that idea. Abortion due to rape is a conundrum for pro-lifers. They do not want to compound the violation of the rape, but also realize that allowing the abortion is effectively a death sentence without benefit of trial for the baby, no matter what happens to the rapist. I can see how they might grasp at an idea that would resolve the conundrum, but I’m pretty sure it’s still an urban myth, and not an uncommon one among pro-lifers. I would not have done it, but again, he has apologized, so give it a rest.
    The cultural marxists must be having a hoot about all this. It’s all win-win to them. They get to divide potential GOP voters, and they have to feel good about their ability to engineer a preemptive stampede of GOPers all over Akin. For the cultural marxists, abortion is fine any time, any reason, so abortion due to rape is an issue only for those with some regard for human life. How we give any credence for their feelings of outrage, when these people casually countenance the slaughter of innocent human life, is beyond me.
    I wonder if anyone has given consideration to the problem that by kicking Akin to the curb, they are sending a discouraging message to those pro-lifers who share his belief that violent rape prevents conception. I would not be surprised to see pro-lifers less willing to vote GOP after seeing what happens to someone who holds the same belief they do about the effect of violent rape. Even if I think it’s an unfounded belief, I would approach these folks with more sympathy and less outraged contempt and disdain.

  • 1tomritter1

    Thus my question.

  • george

    I just love it. Talking about
    misspeaking. Your whole theme is a
    misspeak by President Obama about “you did not create that job. “ As for the Craigslist incident, his ad received
    a receptive reply from the unnamed 17-year-old, who allegedly told Gauthier he
    is 18. All U.S. states set
    their consent limits between 16 and 18. The age of consent in MN is 16. Rep. Kerry Gauthier, D-Duluth, won’t
    face charges for having oral sex with a minor at the Thompson Hill rest stop
    near Duluth, but at the least he’s revealed himself to be a dishonest person,
    lying to the 17-year-old about his age and to police about what exactly
    happened in the woods that night. Now back to Atkin. It
    was not a misstatement. It reflects Ryan and Atkin who worked together on similar
    issues. It’s going to be fun watching the establish republicans vs the Tea Party
    Taliban and the women voters figure this one out.

  • 1tomritter1

    Rep. Todd Akin’s unexpected remarks on rape and abortion
    bring the issue of life to the front, where it belongs.

    Since all those reacting to those
    remarks show their willingness to engage in a discussion of life, they ought to
    be made to answer this simple question:

    “Can
    a nation whose laws (or court rulings) allow the taking of innocent human life remain civilized?”

    (And the person
    answering may define the terms anyway he likes.)

  • reddarin

    No, I think you are missing the point.

    Life is full of problems and issues but you don’t dehumanize the baby by referring to he/she as a problem.

    You don’t call your elderly mother who’s fallen and broken her hip a problem.

    Get it?

  • reddarin

    “Planned Parenthood doesn’t use tax dollars to provide abortions”

    Yes they do.

    Money is fungible.

  • reddarin

    Roe v. Wade stays alive because it was a horrible ruling by the Supreme Court.

    No matter what side of an issue you are on, bad legal rulings damage everyone.

    I know I have to explain this because I’ve had exchanges with you before. When I say ‘bad’ I do not mean one side not liking the decision. I mean the Court reaches its decision through an arbitrary or extra-legal means.

    For example, using other country laws/rulings to decide a case.

  • reddarin

    Chick

    Fil

    A

  • TheSkalawag929

    Prove it.

  • reddarin

    M o n e y i s f u n g i b l e.

  • TheSkalawag929

    I disagree. I think Roe v Wade is a good decision.
    I preserves a woman’s right to privacy and she maintains control over her own body.
    I think all the laws being passed by states to chip away at those rights are wrong and should be thrown out.

  • TheSkalawag929

    Untrue.

  • globalcrap

    Having a hard time posting,not sure why.Don’t know if anybody can read my message

  • reddarin

    I can see it. I’ve only been on a little while this morning but so far everything seems fine.

  • reddarin

    ” I think Roe v Wade is a good decision”

    “I know I have to explain this because I’ve had exchanges with you before. When I say ‘bad’ I do not mean one side not liking the decision. I mean the Court reaches its decision through an arbitrary or extra-legal means.”

  • globalcrap

    Thanks,working now. Wouldn’t let me comment earlier. Thanks again..

  • TheSkalawag929

    Prove that Planned Parenthood uses that tactic.

  • reddarin

    You are a very young person I take it? Late teens or early 20s?

    Fungible isn’t a tactic. It is an adjective.

  • reddarin

    Now it is messing up again. I guess they haven’t resolved the problems yet.

  • TheSkalawag929

    I have found that the people that fault the process by which a decision is reached are unable to articulate a winning reason for their disagreement.

  • TheSkalawag929

    Definition as found in Merriam Webster’s Collegiate Dictionary Tenth Edition
    fungible 1: being of such a nature that one part or quantity may be replaced by another equal part or quantity in the satisfaction of an obligation 2: interchangeable

    Now can you prove that Planned Parenthood replaced one amount of money from one source with another equal amount of money from another source to pay for abortions?

  • reddarin

    “Definition as found”

    “2: interchangeable”

  • reddarin

    lol

    Really, really uninformed.

  • TheSkalawag929

    That doesn’t answer the question that I posed.

    Can you prove that Planned Parenthood
    replaced one amount of money from one source with another equal amount of money
    from another source to pay for abortions?

  • TheSkalawag929

    Translation: I got nothing.

  • reddarin

    Can you possibly be confused about this simple concept?

  • reddarin

    Translation: The problems with RvW are well known. I’m not wasting time regurgitating it to a troll that will pretend it is unfathomable.

  • TheSkalawag929

    Still no answer to : Can you prove that
    Planned Parenthood replaced one amount of money from one source with another
    equal amount of money from another source to pay for abortions?

  • TheSkalawag929

    Further translation: I still got thing to; “people that fault the process by which a decision is reached are unable to articulate a winning reason for their disagreement.”

  • reddarin

    Here. I’ll give you an example that you will understand.

    Ed_USsrA lives in his mom’s basement and he spends $10 a month to play WoW but he can’t afford that dime bag he wants.

    He begs and begs and his mom and she finally agrees to give him an allowance.

    Now Ed can afford both his dime bag *and* his WoW subscription.

    It doesn’t matter if he has separate bank accounts for the two sources of money. He couldn’t buy the pot without his mother’s money being used for WoW.

    Money is fungible. You are welcome.

  • reddarin

    I meant to get back to this post but I deleted the email and then had problems with disqus.

    I’ll be plain. Last time you demanded specific information about Obamao’s executive order I quoted text, copy/paste, directly from it and you flat out lied several times that it wasn’t in the EO.

    Some trolls aren’t worth wasting that sort of time on. You’ve already shown that investing time in responding to you just results in you lying and then posting a short ‘ignore’ message.

    Translate that into troll language for me. All I know in trollenese is ‘lame’ and that’s ‘TheSkalawag929′.

    =)

  • http://poorwilber.blogspot.com Poor Wilber

    For those of you, who wish to turn the discussion away from the dismal economy, to a narrative that only helps the Obama regime to energize their voters….congratulations for your support of Akin.

    Now, instead of a conservative Senator from Missou, who will have a chance to vote for pro life legislation, we now have a candidate that is hell bent on losing to Claire McCaskill, one of the most vunerable Democrats in the Senate. Swell.

    Claire McCaskill will vote for more Obamacare, more abortion, and to throw out DOMA. For those of you who didn’t like my comments below, you need to start thinking with your brains and not your emotions.

    Todd Akin failure to win the Senate will guarantee more unborn are killed every year. Todd put his candidancy before the welfare of gfenerations to come. Thanks a lot…Tod.

  • TheSkalawag929

    I don’t have the slightest idea of what you’re talking about.
    I did post some comments about EOs but I deleted them. And I don’t remember what they were now.
    Obviously you have some trepidation about your response otherwise you wouldn’t be resorting to making up stuff and calling me names.
    However if you resend the material I’ll be more than happy to look at and respond.

  • reddarin

    “I don’t have the slightest idea of what you’re talking about. ”

    You do realize this is the Internet and stuff you post last past your pathetic denials? No?

    Liar.

    =)

    08/15/12 02:13 PM “Obama’s educational excellence initiative”

    “No I’m not saying that I lied because I didn’t.”

    Well. How very cool that you just asked me why I quote stuff in my posts and here we have a real live example of what I was talking about.

    Here ya go. Enjoy:
    ———–
    Me: ‘The exact name, so you can research it yourself, is “White House Initiative On Educational Excellence”. The salient passage is ” positive school climate that does not rely on methods that result in disparate use of disciplinary tools.”‘

    You: “I read the White House Initiative On Educational Excellence and found nothing to do with punishment of any kind for any reason or the words positive school climate. ”

    Me: “Holy smoke. I quoted the text of the initiative.”

    You: “I DID read the White House Executive Order that you alluded to. And as I said the
    words that you claim to be there were not there.”

    Me: ink to the White House EO page and quote the whole block of Section 2 -> subsection B -> Item 3 -> sub-item vi

    You: (proven to be a pathetic troll liar) Ignored.

  • 1LonesomeDove1

    This one needs to find a different pastime. He’s really no good at this one.

  • reddarin

    “red I understand the meaning of fungible ”

    “replaced one amount of money from one source with another equal amount of money”

    No. Either you don’t, which I doubt, or you are lying again, which is clearly the case.

    Why bother being a liberal zombie troll if your big gun is just lying?

  • reddarin

    He is as bad as george. Stupid and not very good at being a troll.

  • 1LonesomeDove1

    There’s a little tinge of whine somewhere in his posts too. Have ya noticed?

  • reddarin

    He has a condition named after him: Patheticacism

  • reddarin

    Hey! lol there *is* a pathetic-ism word. I thought I was just making it up to fit SkalTroll. I misspelled it though.

    patheticism

  • TheSkalawag929

    Look red why don’t you just admit that you can’t show proof that Planned Parenthood is swapping funds on hand with tax dollars to perform abortions?

    Better yet how about giving me a reason why they would swap tax dollars for funds on hand to perform abortions?

    The other post concerning EOs won’t open so I’ll give you my answer to that here.
    I posted whatever I posted then is what I posted and I stand by it.

  • :/

    I can absolutely imagine saying that a friend of mine has a huge problem, his mother broke her hip and he’s now struggling to take care of her. Of course his difficulties stem from the medical bills and so on (just like with a baby) and he still loves his mother. Don’t get why the first commenter was called a monster/wretch.

  • reddarin

    As I said, *you* don’t call your elderly mother a problem for breaking a hip. I see you skirted that by using a 3rd party.

    Even using your example, if you termed it that way when speaking to your friend or anyone that person knows or, really, any sane person, calling this frail woman with a broken hip a ‘problem’ *is* dehumanizing her and objectifying her.

    I doubt you don’t get it.

  • reddarin

    Look troll, I understand that your pathetic way to try to get out of admitting you are wrong is to deny and then lie.

    Swapping funds is an accounting gimmick. Fungible doesn’t hinge on accounting gimmicks.

    As for your lame ‘I don’t remember lying my ass off’ line, hahaha

  • ALTILLA

    Poor poor Akin, the New York Based Republican Party is now screaming like sissies, for him to leave. And poor poor Akin will leave, as money is the milk of winners, and Karl Roves’ tits, have been turned off to him, amongth other major donors. So Akin will leave sooner, rather than later, to the land of OZ, called Moneyland, thanks to all previous donors and the new offer, he could not refuse.

  • TheSkalawag929

    Then what does fungible hinge on and can you prove that Planned Parenthood is doing it. A simple yes or no will suffice.

    You must have me confused with someone else. I never used the line “I don’t remember lying my ass off”. Unless of course you were looking into a mirror when you typed that.

  • reddarin

    Money is fungible. If you really don’t understand that very simple concept how are you able to use the Internet or tie your shoes?

    “You must have me”

    Troll says: derp!

  • 1LonesomeDove1

    Troll says “derp!” a lot.

    LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • TheSkalawag929

    Still no proof. Too bad. Come on back when you have some.

  • 1LonesomeDove1

    There’s plenty of proof that your simple mind doesn’t understand what he’s talking about, and probably never will.

  • :/

    My point is that’s what the original poster was doing as well. If a name is known, you use it. If it’s some hypothetical person/situation, referring to the whole thing as a problem is much simpler and no reason to insult the speaker.

  • reddarin

    It seems pretty clear that your only point is that you think it is hunky dory to refer to a baby as an object and a potential inconvenience of some degree.

  • reddarin

    By the way, for a full comparison…

    Your elderly mother? The one that broker her hip? Yeah, well, when you say ‘it is a problem’ and your solution to the ‘problem’ is euthanasia it might just offend people who think killing an elderly person because she’s inconvenient is detestable.

    Especially when the ‘problem’ is 99.99% preventable in the first damn place.

    Got it now?

  • 1LonesomeDove1

    If we can’t speak on this because (according) to them) we’re not women, then why can they speak about a baby as an object seeing as how they aren’t doctors?

  • :/

    Whoa, what? Where did I say anything about killing anyone?

  • reddarin

    What the heck do you think the solution to the ‘problem’ of pregnancy is?

  • :/

    I wanted to counter some completely unfounded insults. Monster, wretch? Yes, a baby is a potential inconvenience. Many, many things are. Something that inconveniences me is a problem. It can also have benefits.

    That is completely unrelated to how I should or should not be able to act. I should not be allowed to kill anyone (though I imagine we probably disagree on what defines personhood, that is another discussion).

  • :/

    I’m talking about the use of the word. A problem is a person, place, or thing that is: a source of perplexity, distress, or vexation (Webster).

    If that problem is a person (a baby, your mom) it should be illegal for anyone to harm him/her regardless of any difficulty he/she may cause. If that problem is not person, but an object, of course different sorts of solutions should be allowed.

  • reddarin

    Infanticide is monstrous and the person doing it or endorsing it is a wretch.

    Notice how you are doing exactly what I described? Dehumanizing the baby and objectifying it so that dealing with the ‘problem’ is just a normal thing like dealing with a flat tire.

  • 1LonesomeDove1

    It’s a euphemism that’s used to erase guilt.

    Very similar to the term “intact dilation extraction” which is a euphemism that means…..pull the kid out of the womb and split its skull open while it kicks its legs in pain.

  • reddarin

    I understand what you said and what you meant. I’m not trying to talk you out of whatever you believe about when life starts and when murder is murder.

    The point is that casually referring to being pregnant, which means a baby, as a problem when the ‘solution’ is to [insert graphic description of abortion here] is offensive to a lot of people even if you aren’t offended by it.

    And it is funny, if you think about it, that you would like to draw distinctions about the baby and ‘the problem’ but object to the same distinctions in the other direction.

  • :/

    Would you please clarify what directions you’re talking about? I’m not sure to what that refers.

    Why would abortion be the assumed solution? I was talking about babes, as in, already born.

  • :/

    In regards to pregnancy, you really would need to get into specifics about the age of the potential baby to get at whether folks will be offended…

  • reddarin

    Nah. We’ve beaten this dead horse so long even the flies have died.

  • Melbo58

    What I feel is maybe overlooked here is this:
    Let’s say that I find myself in court facing a first degree rape and assault charge. Let’s say my hapless victim shows up in court to help put the nail in my well earned coffin, but wait………because of of sons of bitches like Akin, she’s pregnant and can’t terminate. Following the logical extension of his argument, Why can’t I claim the act was consensual? After all, If it was “legitimate” rape, her body would have sprung into action and keep her from having to bear my little “gift”. Ergo I am acquitted in an Akin court.
    A month and 1/2 ago Sen. McCaskill Came to my church in St. Louis to chill and rapp a little. At the time she was behind and a little down. Looks like now it was gas money and a Sunday morning well spent. What kind of dogs apologize for rapist?!
    Kiss the big MO. goodbye.

  • TheSkalawag929

    So you will be able to provide proof of Planned Parenthood’s nefarious handling of taxpayer money?

  • 1LonesomeDove1

    Like I said, your simple mind won’t grasp it.

  • TheSkalawag929

    Let me see now.
    You don’t provide any proof and I’m the one with the simple mind.

    Yeah okay. Nodding and smiling while backing away carefully.

  • 1LonesomeDove1

    Let me see now.
    You don’t provide any proof that I have reality recognition issues.

    Yeah okay. Nodding and smiling while backing away carefully.

  • 1LonesomeDove1

    I’m sorry, but simple mind is the politest way I can put it.

    Your every post is a childish whine where you sing sad songs like…..”Aww, why do you gotta have an opinion that differs from mine?”…..
    “You’re just an old meanie who won’t agree with everything I say.”…….
    “You’re just an ol stupid. I can’t prove it, but you’re just an ol stupid.”

    OMG! Stop shaving your legs and go kill something for food.

  • reddarin

    Hey there. Saying ‘derp’ and then saying ‘deeeeerrrrrppppp’ is still saying ‘derp’.

    =)

  • TheSkalawag929

    None of your replies contain any facts. Let alone facts relevant to the discussion.
    The only thing your posts are are rants attempting to demean the person you aim them at.
    You must be from the Don Rickles school of response.

  • TheSkalawag929

    What’s next? The I’m rubber your glue defense?

  • TheSkalawag929

    So now you have reduced yourself to gibberish in order to not have to produce any facts to back up your claim.

    Okay my work is done here.

    You can go back to your corner now and continue to drool down the front of your hospital gown.

  • reddarin

    derp=
    deeeeerrrrrppppp=dddddeeeerrrrrrpppp

  • TheSkalawag929

    :-)
    Drool on.

  • reddarin

    Derp?

  • TheSkalawag929

    Yawn…. :-o

  • reddarin

    Herp derp! Derp!!

  • TheSkalawag929

    Yawn :-o

  • 1LonesomeDove1

    1) Neither do yours.

    2) Same with yours

    3) Same to you, except change from Don vto Rosie O

  • TheSkalawag929

    You are just tiring.

  • 1LonesomeDove1

    OMG! Then stop posting to me and go to bed.

  • TheSkalawag929

    Are you one of those people that must absolutely have the last word or you feel as though you have lost?

  • 1LonesomeDove1

    Hmmm, lets see….if I don’t get the last word, then you will. So……someone has to get the last word, Scalawuss……and between the two of us, I’d rather it be me.

    Besides, I belong to “The Last Word Society of American Patriots”.

    It’s my duty as a sworn member.

  • TheSkalawag929

    You know I was willing to let you have it. All the way up to Scalawuss.
    But I figure that anyone so dumb or obtuse as you doesn’t deserve it.

  • 1LonesomeDove1

    I know ya are, but what am I?

    LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • TheSkalawag929

    Ho Hummmm

  • 1LonesomeDove1

    I told you ya needed to go to bed.

  • TheSkalawag929

    Boring……

  • 1LonesomeDove1

    Then go away. Problem solved.

    ;D

  • TheSkalawag929

    Nah. I think I’ll stay just to aggravate you.

  • 1LonesomeDove1

    LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Is that what you think you’re doing?

    Bud, I’ve had my life threatened, and my family attacked by worse than you in my 5 years on these threads.

    You are but a spot of amusement in my very, very few moments of boredom.

  • TheSkalawag929

    Good.

  • 1LonesomeDove1

    And why did I deserve such responses? Care to elaborate, oh tolerant one?

  • TheSkalawag929

    Because you were there.

  • 1LonesomeDove1

    I was where?

  • 1LonesomeDove1

    OK, you don’t want to answer. Well, then you believe I deserved to be threatened and my family attacked all because I exist, right?

    Just because I have a different opinion from you, right? That’s all it takes for you to believe that we deserve slander and death.

    I see.

  • TheSkalawag929

    You’re not pretending are you?
    You really are that stupid.

  • StanW

    Behold the tolerant and accepting Leftist, LD.

  • 1LonesomeDove1

    So far, I’m the one who has given answers. All you’ve done is steal insults from your 12 year old niece’s diary.

  • TheSkalawag929

    Answers are not what’s coming out of you.

  • 1LonesomeDove1

    Not the ones YOU want. All hate mongering regressives hate facts.

    LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • 1LonesomeDove1

    So, tell me, Skalawuss…..why do you want me dead?

  • TheSkalawag929

    I don’t know what you are on but I have not wished harm on you or your family. I don’t roll that way.

  • 1LonesomeDove1

    You just did.

    I told you that I’ve had my life threatened and my family attacked, and you said, “Good”.

    So, why do you want me dead?

  • TheSkalawag929

    The Good reply was in response to your “You are but a spot of
    amusement in my very, very few moments of boredom”.

  • 1LonesomeDove1

    Your response is directly below my post about being threatened.

    After I posted it, that was the next answer I got from you.

    I then asked you “And why did I deserve such responses?”

    You said, “Because you were there.”

    Shame on you.

  • TheSkalawag929

    dovie you are not replying to the responses that I’m making when I’m making them. You are either ahead or behind not sure which.
    But get this straight, I have not wished or advocated harm to you or your family. As I said before I don’t roll that way.

  • 1LonesomeDove1

    You just told a lie, Skalawuss.

  • 1LonesomeDove1

    Why do you regressives rely so much on lies?

  • TheSkalawag929

    dovie all your posts are pretty much the same warmed over paranoid tripe.
    Name one fact that you have given me in response to one question that I have asked.

  • 1LonesomeDove1

    What question have you asked of relevance?

    And why can’t you answer me as to why you wish me dead?

    I just proved you lied. Yet you now try to change the subject.

  • 1LonesomeDove1

    No need to get angry. Just fess up and answer the question like a good little Skalawuss.

  • TheSkalawag929

    Pay attention. I said that The Good reply was in response to your
    “You are but a spot of amusement in my very, very few moments of
    boredom”.
    Or is it more important for you to play the victim.

  • TheSkalawag929

    It’s more important for you to be insulting than to pay attention to what someone is saying.

  • TheSkalawag929

    Why are you so thick?

  • 1LonesomeDove1

    I know that’s what you lied that it was in response to, but the web page shows different. If you put your cursor on “parent”, you’ll see the post you responded to, and how it proves you just lied.

    Now, why do you wish me dead? Be a man and own up to what you said.

  • 1LonesomeDove1

    Why am I thick when you’re the one who’s a low down liar?

  • 1LonesomeDove1

    I’m not insulting yopu. You’re insulting me, and wishing me dead.

    So now you tell another lie?

  • 1LonesomeDove1

    Why am I thick when you’re the one who’s a low down liar?

  • 1LonesomeDove1

    Well, I see you’re gonna lose your temper, so I’ll go and allow you to cool off a bit.

    Have a sandwich or something…..preferably something “manly”.

  • TheSkalawag929

    Already answered.

  • TheSkalawag929

    You’re in a Mental Institution aren’t you?
    Do they know that you’re on a computer unsupervised?

  • TheSkalawag929

    I’m not angry dovie.

  • TheSkalawag929

    Not at all. If you need to get back before bed check I understand.

  • TheSkalawag929

    Par for the course. Answer a question with an insult.

  • TheSkalawag929

    I’m not insulting
    yopu.
    Starting to suffer from fat fingers? Maybe you should get some rest.

  • TheSkalawag929

    Answered.

  • TheSkalawag929

    The answers that I gave you are the only ones that I’m going to give.
    If that isn’t satisfactory then that’s your problem.

  • 1LonesomeDove1

    So did I, and the web page told on you.

  • 1LonesomeDove1

    You’re the pone who tells lies even though the evidence is right here in front to you.

    That’s the sure sign of mental problems.

  • 1LonesomeDove1

    Yes you are. If you were not, then you’d have no need to attack me.

  • 1LonesomeDove1

    And yet you continue to lose your temper and attack me with words…..small ones.

    ;-D

  • 1LonesomeDove1

    That’s what you do alright. So why do you do it?

  • 1LonesomeDove1

    You’ve insulted me and everyone else since you started posting here. Your first post was an insult. That’s all you can do because you’re unstable and have a nasty temper.

  • 1LonesomeDove1

    Lied, and the page proves it.

    Lies, lies, lies…..you should be ashamed.

  • 1LonesomeDove1

    No, the fact that they’re lies is your problem.

    Did you actually think you would get away with lies?

  • 1LonesomeDove1

    Well, if you’ve gone to bed, then I say it’s a good thing with this temper of yours an all. I’ve never seen you like this.
    Wishing me dead, Insulting and calling me nam….well, I have seen you do that, but wishing me dead is a new low for you.

    Do you have a pastor? You should talk to him.

  • TheSkalawag929

    You’re projecting and hearing voices.
    You are the one who needs to talk to his pastor.

  • TheSkalawag929

    Are you the same 1lonesomedove1 that comments on the Washington Post.and get run off regularly?

  • 1LonesomeDove1

    You’re just a whiny little girl with whom I like to mess with.

    ;-D

  • 1LonesomeDove1

    No, but all you have to do is look at the activity pages and compare.

    Or do I have to teach you how to do that as well?

  • TheSkalawag929

    Anyone reading your post can see for themselves you’re not the adult in the conversation.
    See Ya. Have a nice life.

  • TheSkalawag929

    A simple yes or no would have been sufficient. You wouldn’t feel manly with that. You have to get your silly little digs in.
    Last chance for your snide small minded childish retorts. I’m through with you.
    You’re so pathetic.

  • 1LonesomeDove1

    This is a conservative site, not a whiny little sniveling regressive site.

    The conservatives here disagree with you.

  • 1LonesomeDove1

    A simple yes or no won’t do for you. You’re a mental case.

    Oh, and you’re through with me only because you haven’t managed to get the best of me. I been shoving your stupid little game right back in your face, and you don’t like it.

    LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • TheSkalawag929

    One last thing.
    That’s why your ranks are shrinking and you have to cheat to win elections.
    That’s all this time for real. So you’ll know why I don’t answer anymore of your silliness.

  • 1LonesomeDove1

    There’s ALWAYS one last thing with you. Your “last things” never end.

    You keep telling yourself that BS, cheater. Then ask yourself why your leftist black panthers (kill some crackers and their babies) have to stand outside voting locations and intimidate people.

    Why do elections like Franken’s come reeeeeeaaaaaaallllll close, then shazzzzzaaaaaaam! Ballots just magically show up in a trunk.

    If we’re all shrinking, then why are you so afraid of us that you need to come here and whine like a little girl?

    Bye!

    ;-D

  • StackoLee

    That is the best you can do? This impulse to argue as your primary point that women can and will Cry Rape! illegitimately shows a weakness in that you have no primary argument better than that. Every Policy, Issue and Crime has exceptions and using those exceptions as a PRIMARY arguing point or even to form Policy is ridiculous – so why is it so prevalent when it comes to Rape?

    Why is that your first impulse and your strongest argument? What % of reported rapes do you believe are ‘false reports’ and where do you get your information? This ‘fourth best’ argument – basing any argument on The Exception and not The Rule is always fourth best – shows weakness, propaganda and a whole lot of hidden assumptions that reflect poorly on analytical skills, intellectual honesty and attitudes toward women in general. Big time.

  • StackoLee

    WHERE IN THE WORLD do you get your facts & figures that “there are many phony rapes” and that “that there are so few pregnancies resulting from rape”!?! Wrong.

    Both statements are utter nonsense and if you did 5 minutes of simple research you’d find authority after authority illustrating the true numbers – but I guess the power of propaganda trumps actual Facts these days when it supports a strongly held opinion…

  • mamasnothappy1

    Would you really put your trust and future in the hands of a man that forgot he wasn’t in someones backroom discussing things he shouldn’t even be thinking. He can’t possibly believe such drivel and the fact he tried to lie to his constituents and they’d just believe him? Like the negative ads (outright lies and deliberate deception) from the Republicans, some people are believing it because it’s all you see everytime the show stops. I suppose they made subliminal ads illegal wrong for a reason. It applies here.

  • mamasnothappy1

    Let me guess? You are a man. “The trauma of a rape may prevent conception” is the most assinine thing I’ve ever heard. Please don’t try to explain sex and reproduction to a woman who’s been raped. I could explain why a woman might get pregnant but they’d have to block it.

  • mamasnothappy1

    I’m concerned about you too. Where were you when they taught sex education in school? You can type and write sentences but you don’t know anything about sex and reproduction?

  • mamasnothappy1

    And how many women lost babies in that period of time? Unprotected sex, murderous rapes with no mother alive, no drugs to combat the diseases transmitted and babies that died. Did you count the women that committed suicide? Yes, Mr. Akin is misinformed and pretty dumb.

  • mamasnothappy1

    The fact that No is No, whenever I feel like it.

  • mamasnothappy1

    Women have the right to do whatever they want with their own bodies.
    As soon as a man gets pregnant, I’ll be the first to remind him of his rights.

  • mamasnothappy1

    You have no vagina and that means you have no vote.

  • cslagenhop

    Someone operating at this level in politics cannot afford this type of error, at this level. He rightly deserves to be cut-off. You blew it buddy, go away. The more the demos can beat up the national party with this wacky abortion stuff, the better chance they have at winning. Abortion is not going to change any time soon, but we cannot afford to ignore the destruction of our country any longer.