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George Zimmerman: Wanted Dead or Alive

 

Who’s up for a little street justice?  The New Black Panther Party, for starters.  They’re circulating a “Wanted: Dead or Alive” poster for George Zimmerman, the 28-year-old neighborhood watch volunteer who shot 17-year-old black youth Treyvon Martin last month.  Public outrage erupted after the police in Sanford, Florida declined to arrest Zimmerman, who claims he fired in self-defense.

President Obama inserted himself into the case on Friday, saying “every parent in America should be able to understand why it is absolutely imperative that we investigate every aspect of this and that everybody pulls together, federal, state, and local, to figure out how this tragedy happened.”  Obama also remarked that if he had a son, “he’d look like Trayvon,” which will not do much to calm passions surrounding the case, or make it any easier to put together an impartial jury for any trial that might occur. 

The New Black Panthers aren’t waiting around for any boring old “investigations.”  They printed up a flyer declaring Trayvon Martin was “MURDERED in Cold BLOOD” and passed them out during a press conference held by Mikhail Muhummud, who described himself as “the southern regional director for the New Black Panther Party for Self Defense,” according to The Blaze.

On the subject of whether printing up this flyer might exacerbate a situation that has already seen death threats against Zimmerman, Muhummud declared, “God dammit, he should be fearful for his life.”

The New Black Panthers might have to get in line for their crack at Zimmerman, because another militant group, the New Black Liberation Militia, announced it would be sending members to Orlando next week to “attempt a citizen’s arrest” on Zimmerman.

They won’t have any trouble finding him, because movie director Spike Lee used his Twitter account to beam Zimmerman’s home address to his 244,858 followers.

Also on Twitter, Nation of Islam leader Louis Farrakhan said of Treyvon Martin, “Let us see what kind of justice will come for his bereaved family and our bereaved community”… followed immediately by, “Where there is no justice, there will be no peace.  Soon and very soon, the law of retaliation may very well be applied.”  Farrakhan has just under 37,000 Twitter followers.

Sanford police chief Bill Lee and his family have also been targeted by a death threat, issued by one John Carnduff Stewart of Melbourne Beach, Florida.  Charges have been filed against Stewart, and he was placed on electronic monitoring.  Lee stepped down as chief of police on Thursday, while Stewart’s emailed death threat was sent on Friday.

Update: The Black Panthers have now placed a cash bounty on Zimmerman’s head.  Originally it was $10,000, but later Mikhail Muhammad, speaking in Sanford, Florida, announced that he was receiving additional funds from “the black community, athletes, and entertainers as we speak,” and anticipated kicking the bounty up to one million dollars by next week.  

Hopes that President Obama would be able to defuse the situation with one of his famous “beer summits” were dashed, as Muhammad explicitly stated he will not be mollified by beer or good times.

Video of the announcement courtesy of CNN below.

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  • flmom0f4

    Apparently there is a witness, who doesn’t want his identity known (who can blame him), who saw Zimmerman on the ground with the now deceased young man on top beating Zimmerman.  It seems that it would behoove all concerned to wait for all the information from the authorities about this case to unfold, before rushing to judgement.  This is why I haven’t commented before as there were too many conflicting news reports as to the details.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/PNV24DDKXA6LLRYKE4EMHUMY6A Matthew

    Because these idiot extremists are totally people we should take advice from. nice.

  • http://twitter.com/aemoreira81 Adam Moreira

    I read his testimony on Fox Tampa Bay—it raises even more questions than it answers though, especially given the lack of toxicology tests or a Breathalyzer.

  • Kneale

    I agree with flmom and will hold my comments until the facts are known. I just hope Mr Zimmerman and the witness can stay safe  until the grand jury is empaneled.

  • RenegadeScholar

    Obama and the left are mobilizing their thug armies.

    They are giddy that a young black man lost his life to a non-black man. They were needing an excuse to riot and intimidate, and this is it…

    Just a warmup before the election folks. This and the imaginary “war on women” are what is needed to get people emotional and angry and distract them from the awful job Obama is doing. It’s the only way the left can win.

  • MicahStone

    No matter what OBOZO’s pals the black panthers do, they can count on  OBOZO’s imbecile AG (and Black Panther Party supporter and defender) holder to cover-up their actions, as he did with their blatant voter intimidation threats. holder’s Department of IN-Justice has become a sham of a joke of a travesty of a parody of a farce of a law-respecting and law-enforcing organization.

  • sigp238

    Yeah….it’s a real good idea to threaten someone who has already shot someone allegedly in cold blood by those making threats and now these mommy’s  basement racist nigroid tweeters are gonna go after him?Give me a break!

  • sigp238

    Blacks cannot stand Latinos.. But when a black moves into a Latino neighborhood anyway, the Mexicans take it as a sign that the neighborhood is finished and prepare to move.. Funniest is when the Mexicans begin to move to the former ghetto, fix it up and raise the property values.. I would trade for a Mexican over a Farakhan any day of the week (even an illegal one).

  • BuckeyePhysicist

    Believe it or not, I totally understand all the passion behind this horrible tragedy.  Our African-American brothers and sisters have been unjustly treated — mostly by the Democrat Party let me add — for over a century and incidents like this one rekindle those flames of injustice all over again.  This is indeed a hate crime but that’s because ALL crimes are hate crimes.  A young man’s life has ended prematurely and we all should be sad about it no matter our ethnicity. 

    George Zimmerman will certainly be questioned and maybe charged someday.  I just want there to be a discovery of truth before any sense of justice can be achieved.  Without truth, justice just becomes more injustice.

  • DanB_Tiffin

    Nothing can bring Trevor back!    There are no suspects getting away!

    Rather than wait for the facts to come out, the sicko emotion based liberals want trial by media, NOW. Nothing more to look at, according to them, they want a hangin’!!!

    They deliberately inflame anyone they can (remember Tawana? Remember the Duke Lacross?) into a frenzy to unite their sick masses on behalf of a “victim”.

    Trevor might even be a legitimate “victim”, but that is not their point. They just want a hangin’ now!

  • DaneChile

    Want to see what Martin looked like?  Not like the angelic child portrayed in the media.  He´s 6´’ 2″ and definitely not a child

    http://  s1151.  photobucket. com/ albums/o628/trayvonslimmarin/action=view&current=trayvonrecent.  jpg

    (obviously, remove the spaces)

  • http://twitter.com/aemoreira81 Adam Moreira

    Okay now—I’m supposed to believe that it might go down like this? On what reasonable suspicion?

  • http://twitter.com/aemoreira81 Adam Moreira

    He was under 18…as such, he’s technically still a child.

  • DaneChile

    So where are the screams of “Vigilantism” in the media?  If a white group distibuted fliers saying “Wanted: Dead or Alive:  the blacks who set a white boy on fire simply fo being white”,  the leftist media would raise the roofs with its shouts of “racist vigilantes”.

    If Farrakan really wants to help, where is the “Wanted Dead or Alive” poster for the guy who shot the six year-old black girl in Chicago?

  • DaneChile

    Leglly yes, Adam.  So what? If a legal minor tries to rob you, does the legal distinction make a difference?   Sheesh, Adam.  There is the law and there is the reality. You are speaking of a legal child; I am saying he is not a biological child – he is an adult.. 98% of physical growth has lready occured.

  • http://twitter.com/aemoreira81 Adam Moreira

    The police are “on it”. Unless they are not putting 100 percent effort—why is it needed?

  • http://twitter.com/aemoreira81 Adam Moreira

    The failure to conduct initial steps, however, may have fatally compromised the investigation, going forward.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_JBZGEKODLMMN4FON37X5OMTL4E Paul Johnson

    Trayvon, idiot!

  • sigp238

    The question you should be asking is why is it needed for Zimmerman seeing how the police are on it. But then you just like to post inane posts don’t you.

  • MicahStone

     For those with short memories, let me remind you of how race-baiter sharpton, using ONLY the lies of a criminal skank,  was the first to call for the lynching of the Duke Lacrosse players – who, of course, were eventually found totally and completely innocent of the false claims. He spewed out similar self-promoting lies with the Tawana Bawley fiasco, which he created to thwart real justice and inflame racial antagonism. Now, this intemperate, shoot-from-the-lip, mindless, racist clown is foaming-at-the-mouth again against mr. zimmerman, who was merely protecting himself from harm (an eyewitness confirms that zimmerman was on the ground being savagely punched and kicked by trayvon, who appeared as if he were high on crack). Time will show that this is just more of  the same from race-baiter sharpton, who should be totally and completely ignored by every responsible person and organization in the universe.

  • DaneChile

    Well, the police in Sanfordare “on it”, also.  Why is it needed in the Marin case?  Be consistent, Adam.

  • Niniane

    Daily Caller is reporting that the New Black Panther rally in front of the Sanford Police Dept. none of the Black Panthers even bothered to show up. While it was expected to draw hundreds only about 15 folks showed up. So much for standing strong for a kid who was black.

  • DaneChile

    The point I m trying to make, Adam, is the leftist media are intentionally fanning the flames by choosing old photos of Martin when there exists a recent one that shows the reality.

    go back to bed fo today.  You´re not in top form.

  • DaneChile

    Did you read the article about Frank Taffe, the neighbor?  In it, the MSNBC author described the evening as “rainy, drizzly”.  One of the 911 callers immediately after the gunshot said it was “pouring rain”.  This is significant to me because it leads to the question: “What was so danged important about Skittles and iced tea to make a guy walk one mile in pouring rain with no raincoat?”  Could the reason really have been to go find and/or do some drugs or perhaps take a look at the neighborhood?  Just free-thinking here…

  • DanB_Tiffin

    OK, fix the name (in your mind, if possible) then look at what I said.

  • DaneChile

    Questions like what, Adam?

  • http://twitter.com/aemoreira81 Adam Moreira

    Who initiated it? What was said before this all began? Was the threat neutralized before firearms were used? Did Zimmerman’s actions cause Martin to react the way he did? (And that’s just to start.)

  • http://twitter.com/aemoreira81 Adam Moreira

    Certainly sane questions to ask…each statement made though raises that many more questions.

  • DaneChile

    Those questions existed prior to the new eyewitness information.  You said this new info  raises even more questions.  Such as what, I ask again?  What new questions does his information generate?

    Here´s one for you: How did a 140lb “child” (as you remind us) get atop a 230lb man? Perhaps he attcked from behind? Curious…

  • http://twitter.com/aemoreira81 Adam Moreira

    The question I ask here is: Why didn’t he come forward sooner?

  • DaneChile

    Well, that´s one question.  You used the plural, though.  While you enlighten us with the others, I´m going to read again the article.

  • DaneChile

    OK,  @twitter-46896631:disqus , to answer your question.  According to the FOX35 article:

    The night of that shooting, police say there was a witness who saw it all.
     What Sanford Police investigators have in the folder, they put together on the killing of Trayvon Martin few know about.
     The file now sits in the hands of the state attorney. Now that file is just weeks away from being opened to a grand jury.
    ****************************
    It appears the PD obtained the statement the same night they were supposedly not investigating the case to your satisfaction.  For the file to be in the State Attorney’ s Office (presumably in Tallahassee) this very minute means that it was sent prior.

  • http://twitter.com/aemoreira81 Adam Moreira

    If they were “on it”, they would have conducted toxicology and Breathalyzer tests—they didn’t.

  • FrankJR297

    Excuse me. From what can be gathered from the 911 calls, it sounds like Mr. Martin was defending his life from Mr. Zimmerman who was chasing him down. Mr. Zimmerman is not a police officer and had no right to chase Mr. Martin, who had not committed a crime and  posed a threat to nobody down. If Mr. Zimmerman assaulted Mr. Martin (which is unclear at this point, but probable in my opinion) then Mr. Martin was within his rights to defend himself from Mr. Zimmerman. Was he not? Supposing Mr. Zimmerman assaulted Mr. Martin, would Mr. Martin not be within his rights to beat Mr. Zimmerman until the threat is neutralized? You can’t just assault people and then shoot them when they defend themselves and call it ‘self-defense.’

  • globalcrap

    Check out the Phila, Chicago crime reports on black on black crimes over the weekends,and Al Shister ,and the lame stream mooslum media are nowhere to be found. When it is people of a different color shooting  a black the hills come alive with racist idiots.

  • Niniane

    I don’t know how much you know about Florida. In normal weather one could expect thunderstorms every afternoon. These days the hot moisture from the Gulf comes tearing in at all hours of the day and night. Probably when the kid took off on his walk there was the usual humidity and drizzle but no sign of a serious rainstorm. And, trust me, often I had to pull off the road because I could see no longer and windshield wipers could not keep up. Wait 10 minutes and it was over.

    Only “evidence” which has been released is that the kid was wearing a hoodie, walking with candy and tea when Zimmerman called 911 and began following him. Whether the kid turned and assaulted Zimmerman is unknown. Whether Treyvon was packing is unknown. What is known is the 911 operator told Zimmerman to stop following him, and apparently a line was still open when he shot the kid.

    I don’t know what happened and all we can do is play armchair detectives with the little which has been released. It’s just too bad that the Black Panthers didn’t bother to show up — a kid died and they are either too chicken or too busy.

  • globalcrap

    How many children under 18… do you think murder other people. Do you call them children.? Children in gangs as young as 13… murder . Do we give them a pass?

  • Guest

    The only facts that are known right now is that George Zimmerman shot a 17 year old kid and that kid is dead.We have black racists who want the shooter dead,a race pimp who should be staying in New York to prepare his mother’s funeral,a film director who has put a man’s life in danger by publicizing his address so any crackpot can make a run at him and a President who is acting stupidly.Why is that blacks don’t react this way when they kill their own?

  • 2Anglico

    The witness saw everything and reported it to the cops. That is why no arrest was made. The witness said the 6 foot 3 “kid” jumped Zimmerman as he was returning to his car. The witness says the help cries came from Zimmerman. Zimmerman was wearing Ired and the witness says the guy in red was on his back getting beat up. Not that you care.

  • planeboy

    Frank Taaffe, Zimmerman’s neighbor, came forward on Saturday to back up the embattled neighborhood watch volunteer. And a new bombshell witness in the case supported Zimmerman’s account of the incident on Saturday, according to Fox 35, who spoke to the witness.“The guy on the bottom who had a red sweater on was yelling to me: ‘Help, help. … and I told him to stop and I was calling 911,” the witness said.Trayvon Martin was in a hoodie, and Zimmerman was wearing  red. When police found Zimmerman, he was bloodied around the head.Read more: http://dailycaller

  • mariandavid

    “”The self defense claim is quite possible here. You’re just a modern liberal racist who hates non-black people and wants a lynching! “” Read what I said (the link ended with your reply). I have no idea whether self-defence is valid – and neither do you. But what every intelligent conservative realises, and is saying, is that everywhere when you shoot someone you are arrested/taken into custody/whatever and then a court decides if your plea is valid

    What “they” want is a trial not a hangin – what he got is a ‘well done – go home’ from an immensely stupid set of cops.

  • jfhdsiu

    “THEY” put an illegal bounty of “DEAD OR ALIVE” on an American citizen who has not been charged with any crime, nor convicted in any court of a crime. “THEY” are NOT looking for a court trial. “THEY” ARE looking for a “LYNCHING”. They’re inciting MURDER with malicious intent! Some people are too stupid for words. Some people believe in “GUILT BY ACCUSATION” without the benefit of a trial by a jury of one’s peers. So Who are the “blood thirsty maniacs” here? Some people just want to gratify their ghoulish lust for murderous enjoyment at the expense of an “innocent until PROVEN guilty” American citizen!! Un American mob minded thugs! Vicious vigilantes with “murder” on their minds. Intentional, PREMEDITATED murder!

  • Patriot41

     According to entries in the police blotter, a witness has come forward stating that he saw the hoodie on top of Zimmerman beating him.  This does not surprise me at all as it is common these days.  Zimmerman shot the punk in self defense.  Where are the responsible citizens calling for justice that live in that area.  All I am seeing is a bunch of racist blacks along with the president, prosecuting an innocent man.

  • Patriot41

     It is the typical black racist that always jump on a white man and pronounces him guilty before any evidence is provided.  Thank Obama for this as he set the pace with the teacher in the northeast.  If you are white and a black man is involved, it is the white man who is automatically guilty.

  • Patriot41

     Perhaps now you can understand why citizens are arming themselves.  With Obama’s civilian army of black panthers, you will need to be prepared.

  • Patriot41

     Come into my neighborhood and jump me from behind and watch how quick you get your butt blown away.

  • Guest

    You do realize, Zimmerman is not a white guy?

    He is Hispanic, and he has several relatives who are “African American”.

  • Patriot41

     I remember so called children of the age of 10 years, killing millions of adults in Cambodia.  Check out the movie of the Killings Fields.  Everything for the children, until they kill you.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_DGIFTB73YDE3SPLHRVMQZHLXZY Reno Rivera

    I heard about the many in his tree from Mark Levin last night. He is someone as Altosock from Poland. A mix of lots. Came across a post of he claiming to be all kinds of things.

    Zimmerman is Peruvian, Jewish, Black, Irish and a bunch more, what the hell?

  • Patriot41

     Tell me, how much difference is there with this situation then that of the president being able to have an American Citizens assassinated without a trial?  Has Obama not set the pace for what is happening now?

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_DGIFTB73YDE3SPLHRVMQZHLXZY Reno Rivera

    I’ve been armed for years now. Very armed. Always shopping of good buys on ammo. They’ve gone up. 

  • Patriot41

     And who do you suppose was doing the hating in this case?  Sounds like you are laying that charge on Zimmerman, some justice!

  • Godislove2012

    All this is garbage!!!!!! Let me explain this to ever person on this page don’t understand this See individuals like the Black Panthers were created to protect black people because we been under abuse for years and years!!! For the people thats mad because black people play the race card dont be mad at a freaking monster you created!!!!!! My guess is for the people that think this idiot is innocent your not black so i dont expect you to understand. Some of you are saying if i was walking in someone elses neiborhood and they ask me what im doing here i would answer they wouldn’t ask you that because let me guess you are white? you just don’t get it i dont expect you too. The black pather is a monster that was created by racism towards black people for just being born black. Now if that isnt absurd i dont know what is! NO sorry people i could careless what anyone says it was not okay for him to chase young Martin down and question him like that and if you ask me he got his behind beat for following young martin (now he was in self defense) and this dude pulled out a gun. Now this so called witness say Zimmerman was the one that was screaming out help why would the person with the gun scream for help again? oh yea that just doesnt make any sense now does it. He shot him in cold blood. and all of you in your heart knows it! Can you blame them for wanting a lynching blacks been getting it done for years and no one was ever brought to justice so yea im sure This continues  the cycle of no matter what black people do no matter what education we get and how much proper english speaking you do you can still be gunned down because your a black man so you have to be suspicious. dont condone their threats but I understand.

  • Guest

    The photo of him looks like an Hispanic person. 

  • Godislove2012

    it doesn’t matter what he is it matters what young martin is and that he was harrassed because of that trust love i dont care if he was yellow green orange. The friend of Zimmerman stated himself that 8 robberies and they were young black men. So guess why Young Martin was the target……..EXCATLY NOW YOU GET IT!!!!!!:)

  • https://twitter.com/#!/davidjkramer DavidKramer

    Hey ADAM, stick your malicious connotations. Later you asked a question, why did he not come forward sooner. YOU LIE by obfuscation here. This witness was ALWAYS in the police report, it was just never mentioned by the media before.

    Sick of your malicious feigned stupidity.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/MMFSZ5JMH6A5YPH24T2XA4BBSE corrina

    ‘What the president said in a sense is disgraceful. It’s not a question of who that young man looked like,’ said Newt Gingrich. ‘Trying to turn it into a racial issue is fundamentally wrong. I really find it appalling.’

    Gingrich said on the radio show: ”Any young American of any ethnic background should be safe period. We should all be horrified no matter what the ethnic background. Is the president suggesting that if it had been a white who had been shot that would be ok because it didn’t look like him?”

    Gingrich, a former speaker of the House of Representatives, said: “Trying to turn it into a racial issue is fundamentally wrong. I really find it appalling.”

  • mariandavid

    So I hear – in a sick sort of way it makes it worse – not even the old excuse of black/white rascism.

    The English papers (Conservative and Labour) are reporting that the dead man had no weapon, no criminal record and only wore a hood because it was raining. It was also a ‘middle-class area’. They also said that Zimmerman was considered sensible, except for a ‘driving, even fanatical dedication to his newly found love of helping protect districts’.

    I have a horrible feeling that this is was a meet of two decent folk, but both scared shitless when the gun came out and therefore as often happens stupidity took over. But all of this is speculation until a new police chief is put in and prosecuters investigate.

  • https://twitter.com/#!/davidjkramer DavidKramer

    Yet you will continue to post your inane blather.

  • Godislove2012

    Does it make sense to anyone that the person with the gun screams for help for like a minute then shots the person they are pointing the gun at? If someone can explain how that makes sense you have my respect to the up-most!!!

  • Godislove2012

    Ummm how do you know you work for the police department how are you getting this information that no one else have?

  • Godislove2012

    Even if that is the case white people have been doing it for years to black people. Thank about it in this case its the same just in this case! He had to be doing something because he is black that sounds like guilty before innocent to me dont you think?

  • Godislove2012

    God is the judge so lets let him judge people:)

  • http://twitter.com/aemoreira81 Adam Moreira

    Where is the Orange County DA here? It wouldn’t be the FBI’s territory, but the local DA should be daring them to enter Orange County for arrest on the spot.

  • http://twitter.com/aemoreira81 Adam Moreira

    That’s debatable. However, the evidence that could have helped towards that end was never collected.

  • GPZ550

    Where will Obama, Jackson, Sharpton, et al be when an armed mob of lawbreaking vigilantes advances, expecting support from Holder and Obama, is ordered to disband, dis-arm, and disburse by a legal authority, refuses, and is lawfully gunned down dead in the street? Bringing illegal action against lawful authorities is a contemptible and dangerous activity, and law-enforcement would be within their rights and responsibilities to shoot the mob down. Where will the new blak panthers, and whoever else tries t o get in on the violence, have brought us?

  • RINOVirus

     Funny, not even Fox News has coverage of anything you mention.  You come off like many on this thread: just another rascist.

  • http://twitter.com/BillboTex BillboTex

    Not saying this is what happened, but saying that certainly if a large person knocked you to the ground (doesn’t matter whether or not they are on drugs), starting to beat you unconscious, you have a right to defend your self by drawing a legal concealed weapon and shooting your attacker before he pulls a gun, or knife, or knocks you unconscious and then kills you while you are unconscious.  It doesn’t matter whether or not you were involved in an argument or a discussion before the attack.

    We must wait for the investigation to be completed.  All vigilantes should be arrested and tried for murder or attempted murder if any idiot acts on the rascist “wanted dead or alive” nonsense!

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/MMFSZ5JMH6A5YPH24T2XA4BBSE corrina

    It’s not about the death of this guy to Barack Obama. Barack Obama is using his death. Barack Obama does not care about the guy. This is a glimpse of how the Democrats are going to run this aspect of the election—RACE.
    Most blacks have not done well under this regime and so how better to get these blacks to vote for him again. These liberals are evil. They will use any black situation for this goal.
    For the rest of the year—these stories will be front and center stories—the media is into it too. 

  • DaneChile

    I suppose the NBBP goons were “protecting blacks”  when they stood outside of the voting booths with billy clubs in PA telling white voters “You´re gonna be ruled by the black man now, cracker”?

    You don´t believe in the system of LEGAL justice?  That´s how O.J. Simpson got off free.  Everybody just “knew” that he was guilty yet the whites didn´t burn down their own neighborhoods in protest.  How about the two white tourists that stumbled into a black neighborhood in Tampa, I believe?  Why, yes, they were certainly welcomed with open arms by the residents, weren´t they?

    You want a race war?  Blacks make up 12% of the population.  How long do you think that war would last?

    And you should go back to school.

  • DaneChile

    Yeah, a lot of them still don´t have plasmas or the new Nike´s.

  • DaneChile

    All eight of the fifteen burglaries were committed by young, black males. You can call that “profiling” if you wish or you can recognize the statistical significance.

    What if it had been one of the black residents of the gated community who saw Martin – an unknown face in the neighborhood- and decided to ask him what he was doing?  Would that be acceptable to you?

  • DaneChile

    Do some legwork, then, before opening your yap.  It´s been all over Drudge, CNS. Daily Report, etc…  It originated with FOX35 so google that.  Then come back and apologize.

  • DaneChile

    Try this on for size:  he didn´t have the pistol drawn while being beaten.  If he had of, Martin would have backed off, I´m sure.  I think this would show restraint on Zimmerman´s part.  Only when he received no response did he decide to employ his weapon.

    THIS IS THEORETICAL.  I AM NOT SAYING THIS HAPPENED.  Understand that?

  • DaneChile

    Look, I´m not trying o be offensive.  You are obviously British but I don´t know how familiar you are with The States.  These race-baiters and rabid black activists are a well-established sub-culture.  When they say “justice” they mean “justice as THEY see it” which means they want a guilty verdict since they have already determined that “Zimmerman murdered Martin in cold blood”.  Find any one of them and ask his opinion as to what happened.  He probably hasn´t read anything in the news.  He probably has made no attempt to investigate what happened.  All he knows is The Herd is heading thatta way so he´s going with it.  Whitey shot a black kid for Wearing A  Hoody While Black.  That´s enough for him.  And he will truly believe it.  Ask him pointed questions and he´ll lose his cool and tell you to get out of his face.  You see, they don´t WANT to know the truth.  They are having too much fun feeling the power of belonging to A Movement  and making Whitey tremble.

    I have done several legal investigations for the Navy and I can tell you that, so far, I have not seen enough evidence in this case to eliminate any scenario.

  • DaneChile

    Generally well said except the part about all crimes being hate crimes.

  • DaneChile

    And the cops in Concord.  Remember?  The ones that acted stupidly for asking a black man why he was trying to enter a house through a window?  Yeah, baby, that WAS stupid of the cops (one black and one white).  I wonder why the black cop wasn´t invited to the Beer Summit?  Didn´t fit the script?

  • jagscl

    Just looked.  You’re right as can be.

  • jagscl

    Now that’s an interesting piece of information. The picture of a 17 year old kid taken when he was 13 and he is now six two, two fifty pounds.  Anyone who ever thought the MSM could actually report anything accurately needs their head examined.

  • jagscl

    Are you saying because of real or perceived acts of whites “doing it for years” to blacks, the kid was entitled  to beat around on Zimmerman?  Could you be a bit more precise on what “it” is?

  • jagscl

    Probably why the witness doesn’t want his name out.

  • jagscl

    Not necessarily.  Florida has a stand your ground self-defense statute as do  23 other states.  You would need to look at the statute of each state and any court interpretations to determine whether an arrest is mandatory in a self-defense situation, assuming this actually is one.

  • skipgainer

    I did not know we still had so many dumb black men in this country. Do any of them that were at these black pussycat rallies have a job because they were all dressed pretty well for being poor black people. Well I guess obama going to get what he has wanted all along, a good old fashion race war. The only thing is obama is not John Wayne and the calvary and this could explode in ways he has not thought of!

  • DanB_Tiffin

    Again, you lie, just like I said.
    “that everywhere when you shoot someone you are arrested/taken into custody/whatever and then a court decides if your plea is valid ”
    Others have already said WHY that is a lie.

    You have posted here often enough that we know what kind of liberal racist you are.

  • JohnWIS

    “…President Obama inserted himself into the case on Friday, saying “every parent in America should be able to understand why it is absolutely imperative that we investigate every aspect of this and that everybody pulls together, federal, state, and local, to figure out how this tragedy happened.”

    Read: “…because the Sanford P.D. are acting stupidly…”

    Of course everyone is looking for an investigation……it’s taking place right now.  We already “understand” why……and know that the police are not blowing this off.
    ***

    So…who are these “athletes and entertainers” who have contributed to an illegal bounty, that is going to help the NBPP and the NBLM with their “quest”?
    ***

    Any bets that this is going to turn into another Rodney King situation…with similar outcome? 

  • londondave

    Great.  So you have arrested, tried and CONVICTED the guy already.

    Zimmerman is claiming self-defense, genius.  

    Not only that but there is audio, physical evidence and a witness who would seem to support his account.

    I say “seem” because I am not privy to the legal case. Just like you.

    Amazing how quickly people join the LYNCH MOB based on their own prejudices.

  • Duke_Digger

     or, how did a 240# 29 year old “chase down” a 140# 19 year old athlete?

  • Billtexas

    If it turns out that Mr. Zimmerman gets killed by as the result of some these less than judicious comments coming forth from on high (and I’m including those coming from 1600 Pennsylvania Ave); are those folks going to be held accountable if/when Mr. Zimmerman is totally exonerated?  Or, are they going to use this as campaign fodder?  Let’s not forget that an election is coming up.

    It seems they jumped on this in the mistaken notion that Mr. Zimmerman was white, the politicians may have just realized they created a problem with the hispanic vote in Florida. Always remember, from BHO’s perspective, it’s about votes, he doesn’t care a whit about anything or anybody, just how it affects him!

  • londondave

    Alleged shooter is Hispanic.  Victim is African-American.

    How does that make anyone a racist for condemning the race-baiting lynch mob being fuelled by the likes of Shapton, Lee and others?

    All that does is DRIVE people of goodwill into “race” support.

    Being neither black nor Hispanic, but a person of pallor, like most of us, we have no skin in this disgusting game.

    Which is what? Oh yeah, to keep screaming “whitey did it” despite the utter absurdity of that view.

    I guess the race-baiters think it’s good politics for Obama in November

  • K_dreaming_libertarian

    Mr. McCraley has the wrong information, Trayvon Martin weighed 140, it’s George Zimmerman who weighs 250.

  • mariandavid

    That’s a fair comment. I suspect that the use of my word ‘arrest’ is the issue that is inflaming objections. Perhaps if I said -’assisting the police in their investigations’ (British), or ‘being examined by the Prosecuting Magistrate ‘(French) etc it would tie in with my point. In other words since the killing of a human is the most monstrous of all kinds, that which gets the highest of all penalties, it behoves the police and the law to ensure with full authority the conditions under which it was carried out. Incidentally below is a summary of British opinion (I am Canadian) from a middle-of -the road paper – ‘the Independent’ – you can see how it is being reported there:

    “”””A 17-year-old student of unblemished reputation, Martin was shot dead by a self-appointed local crime watch vigilante named George Zimmerman, as he walked home through an upscale neighbourhood in Sanford, Florida on the night of 26 February, carrying nothing more menacing than a mobile phone, a bottle of iced tea and a bag of fruit-flavoured sweets.”””

    True – who knows as yet? But the issue was that Zimmerman was simply let go after a cursory examination – that is what is making Florida and (to my personal regret) the US look bad – no matter how unfair that is.

  • K_dreaming_libertarian

    Can you tell me where you read that testimony? All of the ones I’ve read mention ‘The guy on the bottom who had a red sweater on was yelling to me: “Help, help… and I told him to stop and I was calling 911’. It makes no claims on who started the fight. I have seen no report, or testimony from any witness that Martin jumped Zimmerman as he was returning to his car.

  • K_dreaming_libertarian

    Unfortunately, we do not know the exchange that took place between Martin and Zimmerman, only pure speculation.

  • mariandavid

    “”I have done several legal investigations for the Navy and I can tell you that, so far, I have not seen enough evidence in this case to eliminate any scenario.””

    I totally agree – and to a large degree that is my point. This killing was treated or brushed-off as if it was a minor offence. When, as the most serious offence of all – at the very, very least Zimmermann should have been fully cross-examined by both the police and the judiciary.

    Actually I am Canadian. And alas I know exactly what you are talking about when it comes to black activicists. “They” (most exported from the US – please take them back!) have been jumping on police for alledged crimes here in the Toronto area for the last 20 years!!

  • K_dreaming_libertarian

    According to most report (I found one on ABC), the cops took Zimmerman’s account at face-value and as such did not perform a toxicology test.

  • mariandavid

    Nope I am a conservative and I admire (no ex-soldier ‘likes’) guns: I just detest stupidity. This kind of imbecility will not help the cause of conservatives or gun lovers anywhere.

    One more try – murder whether by intent or accident is the most serious of all crimes. And in any civilised society (if one is not to become a Libya, Mexico or Byleorussia) it must therefore be duly prosected. That does not mean (nor does arrest) dragged off in handcuffs and jailed – it does mean that all the circumstances must be investigated and judged in detail. But in this case nothing happened and Zimmerman has now vanished (at least at last account). That is what ‘we’ (as opposed to raging liberals) object to – and so does the rest of the world,

  • DanB_Tiffin

    Nope, you are not now nor have you ever been a conservative.  You have posted your liberal lies many times here on Human Events.
    You are a liar.
    The authorities in this case determined at the time that no “crime” had been committed.
    You are a liar.
    Zimmerman has NOT vanished.
    You are a liar.

  • jfhdsiu

    This situation is just the one that has occurred in a timely manner that this usurper regime apparently intends to use as a catalyst for justification to use the “martial law” executive order that Barry Soetoro recently implemented! It appears that he intends to seize a dictatorship for himself with the willing assistance of a great many treasonous elected and appointed officials. With the willing help of treasonous private citizens who do NOTHING to prevent it. Or actively advocate, support and condone it by aiding and abetting a political coup through moral support! I do mean Liberals. I could be wrong, but I very rarely am! “Now IS the time for ALL good men and women to come to the aid of their country”. Because if they don’t America falls. “United “We, The People” stand, or divided “We, The People” don’t exist”!

  • jfhdsiu

    Let us pray that the ‘proper’ authorities DO their job!

  • redware

    And you are a mindless idiot who instead of researching a little further decides to call somebody who does a racist.You are just as bad as all the other morons who are rushing to justice in this case,Check out Drudge for the info the poster is citing.Everyone needs to wait until the investigation is completed before lynching this man!  

  • confedgal

    We don’t want them back, but I hope you can get rid of them.

  • DaneChile

    Yes, that´s one of the points I have made. Martin was known as being able to play any football position except quarterback. 17 years-old, long legs,and athlete;  he could have run Zimmerman all night and well into the next day.  The only way they could have had any sort of conversation or confrontation is if Martin stopped.  Once stopped, he did one of two things:  he either started back towards Z.  or simply waited for Z. to arrive.

  • confedgal

     Or when they kill someone of another race?

  • confedgal

    I really wish I could like that more than once!

  • jagscl

    Zimmerman is obviously not going anywhere and perhaps should have been detained under state law.  That is something that would happen in the ordinary course, if uninterrupted by mobs calling for his head.  What we’re seeing is the modern version of the B western lynch mob.  Killing someone is an action that does call for the most intense and accurate investigation possible.  After which, if the evidence is sufficient, an indictment should be sought.  If issued a trial and finding.  Unfortunately, politcal mob inciters like Jackson will do everything in his power to create hate in an attempt to force a true bill by the grand jury. And, Obama, more subtlely, will do the same.  In this kind of environment, how does an accused receive justice?

  • jagscl

    I think all the interrogations, investigations and related activities will certainly happen and the prosses followed to its final conclusion, whatever that may be.  But, because of the professional race mongers, we now have the Feds involved in something that is clearly within the police powers of a state and should be left to the state. The Feds. will dominate and I no longer take at face value that the Feds will investigate fairly, rather than trying to make facts reach a predetermined conclusion.  Remember, Obama is in the White House.  He’s already erecting a gallows,

  • jagscl

    Thanks for the correction.

  • chuckinva

    This is where we are in the new civil age of Obama. The oceans may not have risen but racism in this country seems to be taking a new course. Their is not difference between the KKK and the Black Liberation Army or whatever they call themselves Racism flows in both direction.

    It will be interesting to see how Eric Holder handles this bounty placed or George Zimmerman, although we have some history with Holder not prosecuting blacks for hate crimes. Racism is alive and well, but it is not coming from white conservatives.

  • Patriot41

     Great justification there Godislove.  You are either not very old or have never read unrevised history of North America.  How about the Indians, those red savages, back when the white man first arrived in this country?  How about the prejudices toward the white Italians who were all considered part of the Mob?  What about the Jews who were considered kikes?  Better yet, how about the Irish, indentured white slaves who were sent to this country to work for their own lives.  Racism was alive and well before the first black man ever stepped foot on this continent and it was toward whites and people of different colored skins and nationalities.  What makes the black race so different from others who were equally persecuted?  Racism only continues when used as a crutch and justification to attack a different race. 

  • Patriot41

     What about the other side of the coin Adam, did Martin’s actions justify Zimmerman’s choice of self defense?  How are all of these tests you are talking about, going to prove what went on as far as what was said or who attacked whom?  What difference does it make if one was on drugs or the other was drinking?  Who was the aggressor, would seem to be the most likely question?  Forensics is great, but that is not what perpetrated the crime.

  • Brubaker5

    Last evening while watching a segment on the crowd of “protesters” assembled in front of the DC government’s Wilson Building, I was struck by déjà vu. The activists stoking the fires are literally playing with fire, the same racial fire that ignited our cities during the ’60s.

  • CaptainAhab

    They haven’t “become”, they always were.  Watch “Do The Right Thing”, and you’ll see Spike Lee’s hatred of white people and support for violence/vigilantism.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/66OVRUOGCJ5VLF6MKSVXY47K6A t.j.

    same way wit you whiteys jump on a black kid cause he is black every black man sells dope let you whites tell the story so yea get that mtha fucka and his house nigga friend this is a game of chess white person kill a black man and go get there house nigga friend to vouch for them WITH THE OLE SAYIN IM NOT RACIST I HAVE BLACK FRIENDS!

  • mariandavid

    We are working on it! Amazing what can be done when you have three large successful newspapers in one city. Means that there is a much better chance of what is accurate getting out to people.

  • mariandavid

    I suppose that what I really dislike is that he was not detained. No one knows (at least publically) where he is and if afraid of mobs and knows he was not guilty, he should turn himself in to the state police.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_DGIFTB73YDE3SPLHRVMQZHLXZY Reno Rivera

    Turning out the shooter is more like a pretend Obama’s son.

    He’s mix. Black and white. With a difference, Obama has no slave blood.

    The shooter and the apparent insolent dead young man have slave blood.

  • sickofit61

    OMG!!!! You cannot legally put a bounty on someone’s head….these
    people need to be arrested right now!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! This is a threat to Zimmerman’s
    life…..we are a civil country and this should not be allowed to happen. If you
    want to be considered an American, you need to act like one!!!!…..Authority
    needs to arrest EVERYONE involved in the making of the poster “WANTED DEAD OR
    ALIVE”.  Put a stop to this ignorance
    NOW!!!!!!!!

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_DGIFTB73YDE3SPLHRVMQZHLXZY Reno Rivera

    You missed the point. The punk was questioned, didn’t like it, attacked Zimmerman and was shot. 

    Sometimes all it takes is a bullet. Now there’s one less criminal in the streets of Florida.

    I will bet a hundred bucks that Trayvon has a rap sheet.

    Since you can assumed it was racism, I can assume the punk has a criminal record that is being kept secret but no for long.

  • http://twitter.com/Big_Soon Soon Blunt

    Blacks DO rally when they fall to the hands of their own kind–difference is that one, neither the media or society gives two craps if blacks are killing blacks, and two, the shooter usually DOES GO TO JAIL!! Never have I heard a story of a black man killing another black man, and the police know of the shooter, yet try to cover it up and protect him.  Never. If the gunman is black, he is arrested and usually goes to jail without even going to trial, in fear that he may get even more time if he loses.  IF Zimmerman is brought to the court room, I bet he’ll ride his trial til the wheels fall off, and may even receive financial support from other whites who believe what his did was right. 

  • sickofit61

    Wow…you make absolutely no since….get an education why don’t you!!!!

  • mariandavid

    But apparently when you call yourself a conservative it does make you one?  Actually your style reminds me of a first-year college student that had just discovere politics.

    And enough of this trivia – this site deserves better then endless inflantile name calling, I shall not even bother with a name to give you.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_DGIFTB73YDE3SPLHRVMQZHLXZY Reno Rivera

    You’re just mad as an animal because after all these years of attempting to portray blacks as God’s gift to man, has not stopped people from defending themselves and blacks not immortal. 

    Blacks still die despite thinking they can get away with atrocities.

    They still are mouthy and hateful due to people as you, Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton, liberals in general. In fact, you are the blame for Trayvon being dead. He thought he cannot die because he’s black.

    You should be arrested along with Obama, Jackson and Sharpton. You are responsible for Trayvon’s death. Because of people as you most of us have to be armed and increase police.

    Blacks are still getting killed and arrested for their criminal activities and disliked for their hateful ways. 

    Once all blacks break free from the chains of liberalism, the white slave owners in the Democrat party and their slave masters, Jesse Jackson, Obama and Al Sharpton they will change and behave as normal human beings.

  • sickofit61

    I guess the issue here is…If blacks kill blacks, it’s OK..but if another race kills a black…It’s a crime…boy if that’s not Ignorance, I don’t know what is.

     

  • http://twitter.com/Big_Soon Soon Blunt

    Forget race for a second.  Let’s look at the facts: The “punk” wasn’t engaging in ANY criminal activity or suspicious behavior–he was walking.  Not only that, but the shooter pursued the victim AFTER dispatchers told him to STAY IN THE CAR; POLICE ARE ON THE WAY.  He totally disregarded direct orders and murdered someone who was unarmed, and innocent.  Black, white, hispanic, or Asian–is what he did not wrong?

  • sigp238

    That pretty much sums it up as far as the race hustlers like jackson and sharpton go.

  • mariandavid

    You may well be right – I am relying here on one of the few UK papers that got details and it seems are reporting rather then commenting or making things up. They say no criminal record and no arms, not even a knife carried. It all depends on evidence: If you kill someone there has to be evidence that one is attacked for self-defence to be valid,

    But I still think Zimmerman should have been held in custody until all was checked out by an impartial (read outside) prosecuter’s staff. What angers me (and the vast majority of humanity it seems) is that he was let go and according to his lawyer is (was???) not under police control or supervision.

  • sigp238

    Oh great someone who knows exactly what went down. Everyone listen to what Mrs Blunt has to say, she was there and saw the whole thing.

  • sickofit61

    Blacks scream racist no matter what happens!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • sigp238

    They do scream it loud and often, most of them can’t spell it though.

  • sickofit61

    LOL

  • sigp238

    If you get rid of all of us white folks then how will you get your food stamps?

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_DGIFTB73YDE3SPLHRVMQZHLXZY Reno Rivera

    One that is mixed with black. Zimmerman is a Jewish name. A given name. Many refugee Jews took that name.

    Zimmerman looks more like Obama and Trayvon looks more like Lamont Sanford.

  • mariandavid

    All I know about blacks is that I have relatives from Bristol who helped Wilberforce in his drive to make slavery illegal over 200 years ago; and a distant cousin whose ancestor was the commodore in charge of putting down the slave trade from West Africa to the Americas some 20 years later. So I have little idea as to your issue – the only “blacks” who lived here in Canada until recent times were slaves that escaped to Nova Scotia during the War of American Independence and were obviously freed from slavery. Since then we have got some ‘problems’ from Jamaica, but most blacks here from the US are largely well educated, presumably excaping from prejudice. My doctor is one.

    In all truth - I think the difference is the long reach of racial slavery, abolished after your Civil War, but still hanging like a giant incubus over your nation. It makes a sick sort of sense since I think it was only in the United States and the Caribbean Islands that slavery was defined as racial and heriditary.

    So my apologies – I am not qualified to agree or disagree with your assumption re the Democratic Party.

  • sickofit61

    It’s not exactly a common name, atleast not in the WHITE communities…LOL

  • http://twitter.com/Big_Soon Soon Blunt

    Answer the question sigp238.  I’m not making this about race.  It’s about right and wrong, and what he did was morally wrong.  But you seem to know nothing about morality, which isn’t surprising since you lack the mental capacity to identify the difference between male and female. :-/

  • sickofit61

    Hey dumbass….he’s not WHITE…get your facts straight before posting.

  • sickofit61

    You are exactly right..couldn’t agree with you more!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • DaneChile

    -   He was criminally trespassing in a gated community if he was not invited there by a resident.  Any resident has the right to question an unknown face in a gated community.

    -  Z. was not ordered to remain in his car technically.  The cop at 911 said “We don´t need you to do that”.  That does not negate Z.´s offer to help. It says only that the police don´t NEED help. Fine point but in case of any trial this will not be considered an order..

    -  An eyewitness said he saw them talking then Z. turned and started walking away

    Now, up to this precise point, there has been no physical altercation, no firearms, nothing except talk.  M. realizes he is not in danger. All well and good.  Let´s start from there since this is where the true problem begins. 

     According to the witness, M. jumped Z. from behind, got him on the deck and commenced to pound the doggy out of him.  Z. was shouting for help.  When he realized none was coming, he deployed his weapon.  The weapon discharged. (I state it in that manner because there still exists the possibility that it was discharged unintentionally.)  End of story.

    THOSE are the facts as we know them to be thus far.

  • http://twitter.com/Big_Soon Soon Blunt

    No reason to call names.  Where in my post did I call him white?  Please show me.

  • sickofit61

    LOOKS LIKE FEMALE TO ME…LOL

  • sickofit61

    Took this straight from your post

    IF Zimmerman is brought to the court room, I bet he’ll ride his trial til the wheels fall off, and may even receive financial support from other whites who believe what his did was right.

  • http://twitter.com/Big_Soon Soon Blunt

    “We do not need you to do that” sounds like “Don’t get out the car” to me.  “Criminally trespassing” carries a maximum sentence of death now?  I now know not to walk in the “Wrong neighborhood”.  Don’t want any mentally ill bigot deploying his firearm on me. 

  • sickofit61

    YEP!!!!

  • DaneChile

    “and the police know of the shooter, yet try to cover it up and protect him.”

    If this is what you assume to have happened, you are one ignorant SOB who can´t read very well or cannot think your way out of a paper bag.

    “IF Zimmerman is brought to the court room, I bet he’ll ride his trial til the wheels fall off”

    You bet he will just like O.J. Simpson and Rodney King.  But I guess it´s OK for them to do that because they were victims of an oppressive judicial system.

    Go  back to The Herd.  You´re out of your league here.

    To all others:  I apologize for losing my cool.  I usually try to stay civil but idiots like this guy really burn my butt.

  • http://twitter.com/Big_Soon Soon Blunt

    Never said Zimmerman was white.  The use of  “other whites” was in reference to the person who I was replying to.  My assumption is that he/she is white.

  • sickofit61

    Got it!!!!

  • sickofit61

    Your life must be empty as well….you’re on the computer commenting…WHICH IS WHAT THIS IS ALL ABOUT….HELLO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • DaneChile

    “what he did was morally wrong.”

    Just what, exactly, did he do?  Back it up with a logical argument based on the known facts.

  • http://twitter.com/Big_Soon Soon Blunt

    Why is it that you all have to resort to racial epithets towards me?  I think you all are the ones who are out of your league.  Not once have I called anyone a name, nor have I used any pejorative terms toward any of you.  Doesn’t surprise me though.  You all lose your cool when the black man has anything to say, and the fact that I’m black automatically clouds your judgement, making you deaf to anything that I say, whether it makes sense or not. I clearly said that this is not about race.  Zimmerman committed a murder which according to the facts displayed in the news, I believe is unjustifiable. His actions and his history look bad all across the board.  

  • sickofit61

    t.j. you need to be in school instead of on the computer…because you are in need of an education more than anyone I know…and by the way…a white man will see to it that you receive it……….LOL

  • sickofit61

    LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL…I’m still laughing….

  • DaneChile

    “still hanging like a giant incubus over your nation.”

    You are correct and we can thank the sub-set of blacks who try to use the fact that thei great-great-great grandfathers MAY have been slaves to receive preferential treatment and compensation for themselves today.  Everyone else has gotten over the racial thing over fifty years ago but this sub-set stokes the fires to keep it alive.

  • sickofit61

    Best you stay at home anyway!!!!!

  • http://twitter.com/Big_Soon Soon Blunt

    You are so right.

  • http://twitter.com/Big_Soon Soon Blunt

    I gotta go.  Follow me on Twitter so we can chat more.

  • DaneChile

    Twits use Twitter

  • http://twitter.com/Big_Soon Soon Blunt

    I gotta go, but follow me on Twitter. @Big_Soon:disqus 

  • sickofit61

    You have convicted Zimmerman of Murder and you don’t even have all the facts…so how are you anty better in judgement.
    You people are something else!!!!!!!

  • sickofit61

    buy buy

  • http://twitter.com/Big_Soon Soon Blunt

    I love all people!! I love you all!! Unfortunately, there are so many others (black, white, etc) that feel differently than me. If the cop was black, I’d rally to get his behind arrested too!! He killed an unarmed individual. Goodbye everyone. Stay blessed. 

  • flmom0f4

    Why, thank you Jay.  That is high praise indeed, I admire your insights too.  Just read the always wise Victor Davis Hanson and had to copy a phrase I think fits our President to a T and unfortunately because we are stuck with the ‘latter’, there seems to be no hope for any kind of the ‘unity’ he promised he would bring.  Then again, I really wasn’t so naive that I thought he was speaking the truth, but hope springs eternal.

    “The role of a president is to rein in the mob, not to unleash it. The latter is what community organizers do; the former is what makes statesmen.”

  • another_engineer

    I am officially putting a 20 Cent bounty on Calypso Louie’s head.

    Bet i’m in Fed before dawn. 

  • http://twitter.com/aemoreira81 Adam Moreira

    Buffalo cabbies would gladly match it (if you don’t know what I’m talking about, look up Buffalo cab 20 cents).

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Tommi-Nonya/100003464873173 Tommi Nonya

    Nice run-on sentence!  Since you’re so smart you know better than to end a sentence with though, right?

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Tommi-Nonya/100003464873173 Tommi Nonya

    He wasn’t trespassing!  He was there visiting his father!

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_MA3JFTBS3REATMVKFIFNVOJBTM Political Centrist

    Well, looks like Obama and the Democrats are going after the Latinos now.  Zimmerman is a Latino.  For the past years white Americans have been the target of these vitriolic attacks, now looks like it is the Latino’s turn.  Welcome to the club.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Tommi-Nonya/100003464873173 Tommi Nonya

    Do not attempt to twist the story!  

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Tommi-Nonya/100003464873173 Tommi Nonya

    Blacks are the ignorant ones who can’t spell? He said buy buy! LOL!  What are we purchasing?  I think sickofit meant bye bye!  LMFAO!

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Tommi-Nonya/100003464873173 Tommi Nonya

    How about you go FUCK yourself!

  • DaneChile

    Which story?  The one that describes what happened given the information available to us?  Or the story you wish to believe?

  • DaneChile

    Sheesh.  Go back and read what I wrote.  It included something along the lines of  “…IF HE WAS NOT INVITED BY A RESIDENT”. Do you understand the meaning of the word “IF”?

    (muttering to myself “I´m wasting my time…)

  • DaneChile

    Furthermore, he was not visiting his father; he was staying with his father´s fiancee because he had been suspended from school for two weeks (the litle angel).

    Do some  reseach before forming opinions.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Tommi-Nonya/100003464873173 Tommi Nonya

    Yes he is white.  All of you mutts have a little bit of everything in you spanish, irish, swedish, german, french.  You’re still white(trash)!

  • MicahStone

     If there are more deaths as a result of mr. zimmerman defending himself from a savage beating from martin (who appeared to be high on crack according to a reliable witness), blood will be on the hands of OBOZO, who has done everything possible to distort this self-defense matter into a racial issue and then to inflame the racial elements beyond all reason for his base political advantage (he desperately needs another massive turn-out of blacks to vote for him – or he’ll certainly lose in November).

  • DaneChile

    No and that´s the only funny part of an otherwise sad incident.  The media jumped on the name Zimmerman and assumed he is white so ran with the ball.  Only later did it come out that Z. is Hispanic bu it was too late.  Now Hussein must walk a fine line so as not to lose either voting bloc but I think he has already lost a great portion of the Hispanic bloc.

    So now the media refer to Z. as a “white hispanic” trying to salvage face. Well, if Z. is a Caucasian-Hispanic the Hussein is a Caucasian Negro. I can say that, can´t I?

  • http://twitter.com/aemoreira81 Adam Moreira

    Were toxicology results done on Martin…or Zimmerman? If not, that is pretty slanderous.

  • http://twitter.com/aemoreira81 Adam Moreira

    Can Hispanic be truly considered a race? Look at a pic of George Zimmerman—and then look at a picture of me (the avatar). He and I are technically both Hispanic.

  • DaneChile

    What cop?  You just showed how much you have truly read about this case.

  • DanB_Tiffin

    “my style”
    vs
    YOUR LIES!!!!
    Fine by me, liar.

  • mariandavid

    So true: And what we up here in Canada find particulary annoying is to find it being used against us – most of the zealots being so painfully ignorant as to not know the difference between the United States and the United Kingdom. There are few things more dangerous than the ignorant with a mission!

  • BigBoa

    You need to understand how race war operates.

    Nobody is going to make ANY attempt to stop the savages unless the public unites and puts a stop to them. Holder has already let the NBP get away with voter intimidation in that past, and has made it clear through the entire justice department that blacks are not to be prosecuted.

    That is one of the main reasons for their “upping the ante” over the past couple of years. That, combined with their entitlement mentality, and they presume they can just run wild, doing and taking whatever they like. Witness the flash mobs. When literally HUNDREDS of white people were being attacked by these thugs at a fair in Wisconsin, “law enforcement” made absolutely no attempts to stop them. There was no 24-7 coverage in the media, and jackson, sharpton and calypso louie failed to show. Ditto in the case of the white kid in KC recently who was doused in gas, set on fire, and TOLD he was getting what he had coming to him because he was white. Their presence was also absent when an old white veteran was beaten to death in Philly. Ditto again for the white guy recently dragged from his taxi and beaten. White girls being mobbed and beaten by female savage thugs in schools ALL OVER the nation. Not a peep. We could list attacks like this all day long. It is FAR longer than the list in reverse.

    The public KNOWS what needs to be done and they better do it soon.

  • Dustoff

     I’d be more worried about the wanted dead or alive Adam.

  • BigBoa

    So far, the ONLY candidate who has made a reasonably sane statement about this.

  • Dustoff

     Adan… if you remember school. We use to be one race. (human)

  • http://twitter.com/aemoreira81 Adam Moreira

    THAT can be condemned separately…and I do.

    But on his post, there was a recent case where Stand Your Ground was invoked to successfully get murder charges dismissed and toxicology tests were key (the attacker was on elevated levels of drugs). It isn’t insignificant.

  • Dustoff

     I loved the fact the CNN called him a “white” Hispanic….. what ever that is.

    They just had to drop the white in there.

  • DaneChile

    Anthropologically, no.  But legally and culturally it is.

    The “typical”  Hispanic skin color is a result of the mixing of Caucasoids (Europe) and the Moors who were mainly Negroid.  Remember the Moors occupied Spain during 500 years so that´s an awful lot  of generations of mixing bloodlines.  When the Spaniards went to Central and South America and started mixing with the natives (who were also dark-skinned), the resulting mix is the mestizo with the typical light brown coloration.  When the European  Caucasoids (germanic, Sklavic, italian, Northern Tribes)  started coming to C. and S. America, mixing with the mestizos, often the result is lily-white skin after a few generations.

    But in U.S.  racial politics, Hispanic is considered a “race”.

  • BigBoa

    Stop hanging out trying to be a “gangsta” and start attending class.

    By the way, it has become QUITE clear that the little darling is the one that actually attacked Zimmerman as he turned and went to get back in his SUV. That justifies the shooting.

    All you morons that insisted Zimmerman was “guilty” if he was pursuing the little angel have just argued for why Zimmerman was completely within his rights.

    AH HAHAHA!! Pure poetic justice.

  • BigBoa

    Oh yes it SHOULD be “FBI territory”!

    ABSOLUTELY! These radical beasts are interfering with what is now under federal investigation. Every single one of them should be held and charged with conspiracy to commit murder as well as obstruction of justice in a federal investigation. But we already know NOTHING will be done by Mr. Fast and Furious…….

  • DaneChile

    Well, I guess you consider our President o be a mutt, also, since he is mulatto.  We already know he is trash.

  • DaneChile

    I have seen no mention of it anywhere.  However, it is usually standard practice in an autopsy.

  • BigBoa

    They already have,,,,,,

    Morons that they are. They also blamed Sean Hannity. They are total clowns.

  • mariandavid

    I most certainly do apologise and thanks for pointing that out. And on reflection I made another mistake – it seems that the failure to fully investigate was the fault of the police chief not his officers. Presumably why he was asked to step down.

    Do not be too unkind on the Independent – this is a classic case of UK/US language difference. .”Gated communities” for example is a phrase not used in the UK and are very rare. The only ‘gates’ one finds are to condominion blocks. And they were correct in the ‘self-appointed’ while I agree that the word ‘vigilante’ is slanted. But to be fair the ‘armed watchgroups’ which I suppose is a fair international way of putting it are unheard of anywhere civilised outside the US (unarmed ones sporadically appear but usually to handle drunks) and of course he would have been arrested and jailed since carry permits are very rarely issued to civilians. So one can understand the confusion.

    Again thanks for the update.

  • heavenly013

    And, in the eyes of white Americans, blacks have been expendable for 400 years…

  • heavenly013

    In my opinion, this entire case should not be about race at all.  Zimmerman was a “self-appointed” Neighborhood watch “Captain” and was not registered with any official Neighborhood Watch in the country.  He was in his car and was told by dispatchers not to pursue the guy.  He did not follow their orders and was, essentially, stalking someone.  If I am being stalked or followed, I’m going to turn around and say “Hey, wtf is your problem?  Do you need something?”.  The witness who says he saw the young man on top of Zimmerman did NOT see the initial confrontation, so there is no proof of what actually occurred.  Trayvon may very well have been confronted by Zimmerman, who maybe grabbed his arm or something when he refused to stop, and then got the best of his attacker, which may be what the witness saw.  We will never truly know.  Just because Zimmerman saw an unknown black person in his neighborhood gives him no right to confront that person.  That is basically saying that members of that community cannot have family or friends over for fear of them being confronted/assaulted by the self-appointed “Neighborhood Watch Captain”.

  • heavenly013

     And exactly where in this video did it say he was wanted dead or alive?  Unless my ears deceive me, I heard “… for the CAPTURE of…”  NOT “for the killing or death of”.  These stories always try to use the best title possible to get people riled up and that is the whole reason we’re all debating this issue.

  • mariandavid

    Afraid you are wrong on a number of basic issues:
    Prior to 1776 (some would say 1783) there was no such thing as an “american” – all were British, even the French in Quebec after 1763. And there was no chance whatsoever of York (I assume you mean Upper Canada) joining the US – rather the local English and French  beat the hell out of the US attempts to invade. If you know your history these were led by Montgomery and Benedict Arnold. Incidentally these were the first of seven, all defeated, US invasions of Canada)

    The British STOPPED slaves being brought to the US in the 1820′s apart from a few local slavers who eventually took Texas from Mexico when Mexico abolished slavery.

    You have no idea whatsoever of the make up of Canada: It is now about 70% immigrant – the vast majority from Western and Central Europe . And the Liberal Party of Canada (is that what you mean by Liberalism?) was not in power for much of the period – the Conservative Party was (and is). Why you picked out Holland I do not know – there is a close connection as it was Canadian troops that liberated Holland in 1945.

    Only America NEEDED to fight a civil war (which if you knew your history was over State’s Rights not civil rights); all the rest of us just did it.  

    “””Notice how Spanish blacks are not hostile as American blacks and the same with French blacks.”””

    I have no idea what you mean by this but just to help you:
    - Spanish ‘blacks’ (those from its African colonies) raped and killed their way across Spain on behalf of the facist Franco
    - one of the French ‘blacks’ (from Algeria) was the guy who just killed seven, including three children, in Toulouse. And of course is very much an exception.

    “”The South were being egged by the British and helped the South during the Civil War. All for cotton.”” The first part would be news to any historian of the period; as for the second the UK came close to war when a stupid US naval officer siezed Confederates on a British ship. Fortunately Queen Victoria stopped (so the story goes) a bunch of aristocrats – all the rest of the British despised the south over slavery – from triggering the conflict. And a good thing too or the US would be very different and probably much smaller than it is today.

    “”After the Civil War, Britain began exploiting the Egyptians for their cotton.”” Of course the southern economy collapsed, so cotton was obtained elsewhere – not so much from Egypt (that was largely under French influence) but from India. And once the Suez Canal opened demand for the new US cotton withered. 

  • DaneChile

    Well then, let´s play a little mob action ourselves.  But civilized and legal.  Everyone should send letters to your congressional reps demanding police action.  Some sort of law was broken (incitement to murder?  I don´t know) and some law enforcement agency should respond.  Since this was dissiminated nationwide, sounds as if it is in the FBIs realm and surely the DOJ had better get involved.  In short, raise hell.  Flood the Whie House with letters and e-mails.  Go onto every web site associated with Hussein and flood them with messages demanding legal action.  Send copies to your local papers. Perhaps we can form a yahoo mail list so that those interested can swap notes, letter formats, info, etc…
    The momentum is shifting and we can do something about this – if for no other reason than to deny Hussein the opportunity to spin this into something favorable for him.

    Good night. 

  • heavenly013

    Yes, racism comes from ALL nationalities but, in regards to slavery, the white race has been the majority leader.  I am a person of several different races and I agree that there have been injustices from every race.  The problem is, here we are, hundreds of years later, still not able to get along as a “United” nation.  Don’t you find that rather sad?

  • heavenly013

     One can ask the same question about whites…  A 13 year old white child was recently set on fire by 2 black children and it made international news.  Would it have been in British papers if it was 2 white children?  It goes both ways.  The point is, all races want to make a big issue when things happen between two different races when, in fact, what we should be focusing on is what caused the mental instability for the perpetrator to be able to commit such a crime, not the color of their skin.

  • heavenly013

     As we do not know how Trayvon ended up on top of Zimerman, we cannot make any logical speculations.  Perhaps Zimmerman grabbed Trayvon and he reacted to someone who was stalking him.  Just because he got the best of Zimmerman, doesn’t mean he initiated the confrontation.  The “witness” did not see the INITIAL confrontation.  That is up to law enforcement to determine.

  • heavenly013

     The shooter is Hispanic and White, not black.

  • heavenly013

     And you’re saying that a 17 year old kid deserved to die for walking in a neighborhood, just because a self-appointed “Captain of the Neighborhood Watch” didn’t know him.

  • heavenly013

     Again, this goes both ways.  If something is done to a white person and there is aa black/hispanic around, they are automatically guilty, as well.  This whole argument about race is stupid.

  • http://www.nleomf.org/officers/ FlatFoot

    Did you read the article? Any of the article, at all, and click on any of the links provided throughout the article?

    Or are you just regurgitating your spoon-fed agitprop because you can?

  • heavenly013

    I do not agree with people taking things into their own hands regarding this case, but I do feel more investigation is definitely needed. We as society are failing our children by showing hatred towards each other and the media feeds this.

  • heavenly013

    A simple search of Orange County Clerk of Courts public records reveals George Michael Zimmerman’s past history of Domestic Violence, resisting arrest and assault on a police officer.  Why is this information not as widespread as some of the other information out there?

  • heavenly013

     Actually, it was the police who initially reported Zimmerman as being white and his family clarified that he is Latino and White.  His mother is Peruvian and his father is Caucasian.

  • DaneChile

    Get your facts straight.  His father´s fiancee lives there.  His father took M. up there while suspended from school to get his head on staight.  In other words, his face was not known in the community.

    You see a person walking slowly in the pouring rain, “looking around” and standing on the porch of a townhouse.  Once he realizes you are watching him, he takes off walking.  You, as a concerned resident of a gated community, do what?

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=728917304 Marshall Belay Felton

    America has condoned vigilante mob justice on my people for centuries. Now when someone has wronged us you speak of legality? Was it legal to torture and mutilated Emmett Till and watch the killers go free.  What world do you live in because it is certainly not mine. Violence is as American as apple pie. 

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=728917304 Marshall Belay Felton

    “let´s play a little mob action ourselves”

    -You have been doing that for centuries. 

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=728917304 Marshall Belay Felton

    Why are you talking about communism? My people were not enslaved and oppressed by communism. They were oppressed and enslaved by capitalist. Those white men fought to preserve the Union. Lincoln had not real affinity for the slaves, he wanted to save the Union. 

  • jfhdsiu

    Being functionally illiterate isn’t an excuse.

  • jfhdsiu

     I know it won’t be of any interest to racist blacks, but the fact is that it was their own ancestor’s NEIGHBORS who captured them and sold them into slavery. There were nearly as many WHITE slaves as there were BLACK slaves. BLACKS owned slaves. In proportion to the population at the time there were MORE blacks who owned slaves than there were WHITES who owned slaves, (proportionate to each ETHNIC group’s representation of the population at that time). The slave owners who owned the MOST slaves were BLACK owners of slaves. The CRUELEST owners of slaves were BLACK owners of slave. Check on one “William Elliot”! He impregnated his own black slave women and sold the offspring as slaves, which was considered a despicable act by everybody else! William Elliot, a very wealthy black owner of slaves, SUPPORTED the south in the civil war for the express purpose of CONTINUING slavery! It was a BLACK owner of slaves who got slaves made slaves ‘for life’. He told the court, “I own him for his life”! Before that a slave had the right to earn his or her freedom after so long a period. …………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………

    So blacks can just get off the ‘racial whine’ high horse. Blacks DON’T have a legitimate reason for it. MOST blacks use it as a CRUTCH because they CAN’T better themselves on their own merits! BLACK slave owners were even WORSE than WHITE slave owners. HISTORICALLY blacks DON’T HAVE A CASE! Nor do they have any special right to the racial whine. Blacks are only showing their ignorance of their OWN history by whining about slavery all the time. If one has access to a computer to “cry like a puling baby” over the racial whine, one has access to a computer to find out the truth about their own history. Search ‘black owners of slaves” and educate yourself  before using the “poor, poor pitiful me RACIAL WHINE”. Anyone who wants to know the truth WILL look it up. Those who DON’T want to know the truth will AVOID finding out about it, in a COWARDLY fashion, like it is the PLAGUE! So who has the intestinal fortitude in the black community to KNOW THE TRUTH? Does anyone HAVE THE GUTS? Are any black racists, BAD A** enough to take a peak at recorded history? I’m betting NONE do! It would destroy their “racial Whine” puling!

  • jfhdsiu

      I know it won’t be of any interest to racist blacks, but the fact is that it was their own ancestor’s NEIGHBORS who captured them and sold them into slavery. There were nearly as many WHITE slaves as there were BLACK slaves. BLACKS owned slaves. In proportion to the population at the time there were MORE blacks who owned slaves than there were WHITES who owned slaves (proportionate to each ETHNIC group’s representation of the population at that time). The slave owners who owned the MOST slaves were BLACK owners of slaves. The CRUELEST owners of slaves were BLACK owners of slave. Check on one “William Elliot”! He impregnated his own black slave women and sold the offspring as slaves, which was considered a despicable act by everybody else! William Elliot, a very
    wealthy black owner of slaves, SUPPORTED the south in the civil war for the express purpose of CONTINUING slavery! It was a BLACK owner of slaves who got slaves made slaves ‘for life’. He told the court, “I own him for his life”! Before that a slave had the right to earn his or her freedom after so long a period.
    …………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………

    So blacks can just get off the ‘racial whine’ high horse. Blacks DON’T have a legitimate reason for it. MOST blacks use it as a CRUTCH because they CAN’T better themselves on their own merits! BLACK slave owners were even WORSE than WHITE slave owners. HISTORICALLY blacks DON’T HAVE A CASE! Nor do they have any special right to the racial whine. Blacks are only showing their ignorance of their OWN history by whining about slavery all the time. If one has access to a computer to “cry like a puling baby” over the racial whine, one has access to a computer to find out the truth about their own history. Search ‘black owners of slaves” and educate yourself before using the “poor, poor pitiful me RACIAL WHINE”. Anyone who wants to know the truth WILL look it up. Those who DON’T want to know the truth will AVOID finding out about it, in a COWARDLY fashion, like it is the PLAGUE! So who has the intestinal fortitude in the black community to KNOW THE TRUTH? Does anyone HAVE THE GUTS? Are any black racists, BAD A** enough to take a peak at recorded history? I’m betting NONE do! It would destroy their “racial Whine” puling!