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Concealed carry legislation introduced by Republican Senate leaders

A bill to protect concealed carry permit holders, sponsored by Sen. John R. Thune (R-S.D.) and Sen. David B. Vitter (R-La.), has been introduced with strong Republican support in the Senate.

“I am pleased to introduce legislation that strikes a balance between states’ rights and individuals’ Second Amendment rights outlined by the Constitution,” Thune said.

The legislation, which has drawn initial support from 28 Republican senators, is called the Respecting States’ Rights and Concealed Carry Reciprocity Act, S. 2213.

Thune said that the bill will allow law-abiding concealed carry permit holders to cross state lines without being afraid of breaking the law and that the legislation provides a good balance between respecting the right of states to create their own laws and also protecting gun owners from the different laws of states that they pass through.

Thune said that the law stays in line with the Constitution because it refrains from making a national standard for concealed carry while also protection Second Amendment rights.

The Respecting States’ Rights and Concealed Carry Reciprocity Act will protect residents of both concealed carry as well as Constitutional Carry states. Constitutional Carry states don’t require a permit to carry a concealed gun. The protection of Constitutional Carry citizens is the main difference between this bill and the National Right-to-Carry Reciprocity Act of 2012, which was sponsored by Democrats last week.

The National Right-to-Carry Reciprocity Act of 2012 was sponsored by Sen. Mark Begich (D-Alaska) and Sen. Joe Manchin (D-W.Va.), and originally had the support of many Republicans.

“I’m leading the effort to provide consistency so law-abiding gun owners can carry concealed firearms in every state that permits them without having to navigate confusing rules and regulations in different states,” said Begich.

However, the Republicans that were originally working on that legislation jumped over to support the Thune-Vitter bill instead due to the belief that the Thune-Vitter bill would go farther in protecting gun owners.

One of the Senators that made the switch was Sen. Mike D. Crapo (R-Idaho), who was initially announced as a co-sponsor of the National Right-to-Carry Reciprocity Act, but pulled out and switched to work on the Thune-Vitter Bill. Crapo believes that the Thune-Vitter bill is a stronger approach to supporting reciprocal concealed carry permitting rights among the states that allow it.

A bill similar to the Thune-Vitter one introduced in the Senate made its way through the House in November of last year, which was sponsored by Rep. Cliff B. Stearns (R-Fla.) and Rep. J. Heath Shuler (D-N.C.). The House bill H.R. 822 drew the support of 40 Democrats and passed on a vote of 272 to 154.

The last time that Thune introduced similar concealed carry legislation in 2009 it nearly passed, gaining 58 votes in the Senate.

The following senators support the Respecting States’ Rights and Concealed Carry Reciprocity Act:

Ayotte (R-N.H.), Barrasso (R-Wyo.), Boozman (R-Ark.), Burr (R-N.C.), Chambliss (R-Ga.), Coburn (R-Okla.), Cochran (R-Miss.), Cornyn (R-Texas), Crapo (R-Idaho), DeMint (R-S.C.), Enzi (R-Wyo.), Graham (R-S.C.), Grassley (R-Iowa), Hatch (R-Utah), Inhofe (R-Okla.), Isakson (R-Ga.), Ron Johnson (R-Wis.), Lee (R-Utah), Lugar (R-Ind.), McConnell (R-Ky.), Paul (R-Ky.), Portman (R-Ohio), Risch (R-Idaho), Rubio (R-Fla.), Sessions (R-Ala.), Thune (R-S.D.), Toomey (R-Penn.) Vitter (R-La.) and Wicker (R-Miss.).

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  • Steven S. Baum

    VERY upsetting that NO NY’kers signed on to this.
    Too bad they too dont trust armed citizens,after all they have protection and dont care about us.

  • sigp238

    A gun never killed anyone, it is just a tool in a killers hand. This same hand can hold a knife or a club or poison and each can be lethal. We can’t take away all of the tools so we have to make sure everyone can get the tools they need. A gun in a woman’s hand makes her a formidable opponent to a 300 pound would be rapist.

  • General_Relativity

    Did you know about the fact that Chicago mayor Daley hates guns but used a gun to protect his home from an attempted invasion?

  • Guest

    too bad so sad

  • Guest

    It is a statistical fact, by the dept. of justice statistics, cia factbook, and the cdc statistics website that approx. 30 people use firearms in self defense to every one person that is killed by one.  30 to 1.  Firearms literally make us safer, not only from crooks and attackers but from government as well.  About 13,000 people were killed by firearms last year including accidents.  23,500 people died from “falling accidents”.  49,000 died from secondhand smoke!  So you are 3.7 times more likely to die from other peoples smoke than firearms!   Hardly the big bad boogy-man dems and libs would have us believe! 

  • Altosackbuteer

    This seems like an eminently fair bill.

    One is routinely allowed to drive across state lines, even when one isn’t licensed in the state where one is driving.

    Most states allow travellers 30 days.  If they stay in a state longer, they then have to apply for a local state driver’s license.

    Why can’t guns be the same way?

  • 1tomritter1

    “I am pleased to introduce legislation that strikes a balance between states’ rights and individuals’ Second Amendment rights outlined by the Constitution,” Thune said.

    The 2nd Amendment says, “(T)he right of the people…to BEAR arms shall not be infringed.”

    What states’ rights?

    People often ask, “What about guns…?’

    First, The Constitution knows how to write exceptions (See the 13th Amendment), but there are none to the 2nd Amendment.

    Courts, for example, could have bullet-proof glass across the front, and guns-drawn deputies. And the judges could be armed (Many already are). Expensive? Nah; we spend a lot more money on much more foolish things.

    And would you, a terrorist, try something on an airliner full of potentially armed passengers?

    The Sixth Article says’ “This Constitution…. shall be the Supreme Law of the Land…”. If you broke the law, you would go to jail. So why aren’t people who defy the 2nd Amendment in jail?

    By the way, criminals and the insane are NOT “the people”.

  • sigp238

    I love it when people who comment “get it”. And “getting it” means understanding what the constitution says.

    Thanks Tom, America needs a President who “gets it”.

  • Wxcynic

    Concealed permits are an infringment.  Back to basics.

  • Wil

    Fact: Residents of homes where a gun is present are
    5 times more likely to experience a suicide and 3 times more likely to
    experience a homicide than residents of homes without guns.

    After the first four years the Brady Bill was enacted, a quarter million felons and nuts were prevented from buying handguns.

  • Wxcynic

    Because the governments in those states are afraid of their citizens.

  • StanW

    And that statistic is ONLY valid by calling person’s 25 years old or younger CHILDREN, Wil.

    The only way to make your case is to lie, so why bother?

  • bloodaxe

    I notice you didn’t quote your sources but countered with a question. My answer to that is, yes, I do believe the NRA is an excellent source of information. I have been a member for 40 years and haven’t seen them put out any inaccurate info- ever.

  • deeme

    Here’s some statistics thanks to the new and improved Justice Department, the real criminals have the most guns..given to them by the justice department , if you can still call that justice.and they are ganging up with Hezbollah and are all over the U.S.

  • JayC777

    “a quarter million felons and nuts were prevented from buying handguns”

    LEGALLY.  These are felons and nuts, you moron, who have already shown a propensity to break the law.  Oh, yeah, I can just see them telling each other, “Hey, the Brady bill passed, so … we won’t be able to arm ourselves.  Darn.”

    The Justice Department will probably help those fellons out with guns, though.

  • David Sullivan

    All I know is, you can run around throwing up peace signs and asking for hugs from your would be muggers, rapists and alike.  I’ll deal with them my own way thank you very much.

  • David Sullivan

    Now do the statistics on how many of those homes have “legally” owned firearms.  You can sway an ignorant arguement anyway you want by leaving out a few basic facts.

  • Wil

    Twelve times more children are killed by guns
    in America than in the other 25 industrial countries combined says the Violence
    Policy Center.

  • David Sullivan

    Did not answer the question.  Obviously spouting off bullshit with no knowledge or factual basis.

  • StanW

    And again, that is only true if CHILDREN is anyone that is 25 years old or younger, Wil.

    You shoudl do some research BEFORE you post lies.

  • JayC777

    It is axiomatic in the United States that
    burglars avoid occupied homes. As an introductory criminology textbook explains,
    “Burglars do not want contact with occupants; they depend on stealth for
    success.” [FN8] Only thirteen percent of
    U.S. residential burglaries are attempted against occupied homes. [FN9] But this happy fact of life, so taken
    for granted in the United States, is not universal.

    The overall Canadian burglary rate is
    higher than the American one, and a Canadian burglary is four times more likely
    to take place when the victims are home. [FN10]

    In Toronto, forty-four percent of
    burglaries were against occupied homes, and twenty-one percent involved a
    confrontation with the victim. [FN11]
    Most Canadian residential burglaries occur at night, while American burglars are
    known to prefer daytime entry to reduce the risk of an armed confrontation. [FN12]

    Research by the federal government’s
    Office of Juvenile Justice and Delinquency Prevention found that, based on 1994
    data, American youths 10 to 17 years old had much higher arrest rates than
    Canadian youths for every category of violent and property
    crime. The lone exception was burglary, for which Canadian youths were one-third
    more likely to be involved. [FN13] In
    cities such as Vancouver, home invasion burglaries aimed at elderly people have
    become endemic, and murders of the elderly during those burglaries all too
    frequent. [FN14] Unfortunately, help
    from the government is not always available. In Quebec, the provincial police
    (Sureté du Québec) are under orders from their commander to reduce arrests for
    burglary, because the jails are full. [FN15]*348

    A 1982 British survey found fifty-nine
    percent of attempted burglaries involved an occupied home. [FN16] The Wall Street Journal reported:

    Compared with London, New York is
    downright safe in one category: burglary. In London, where many homes have been
    burglarized half a dozen times, and where psychologists specialize in treating
    children traumatized by such thefts, the rate is nearly twice as high as in the
    Big Apple. And burglars here increasingly prefer striking when occupants are
    home, since alarms and locks tend to be disengaged and intruders have little to
    fear from unarmed residents.JayThere’s some astonishing facts.

  • bobfrommosinee

    Bullship, ground fine but still bullship, Your facts are not supported by FBI statistics.

  • bobfrommosinee

    Repeating lies does not make them any more truthful or factual, The age of majority in this country is 18, The age of majority means you are a adult, and even then to get to those numbers, The Anti Gun liars had to count every firearms death of those 26 and below.

  • bobfrommosinee

    But is in support of the 14 amendment which guarantees due process for all citizens.

    Now also, The Constitution doesn’t grant rights, It recognizes that They already exist, and the right to self defense is one of the most basic rights acknowledged  in the Constitution, and Constitutional Rights are not restricted by state boundaries, Rights are Universal for the Citizen.

  • AZsmitty

    An Arizona citizen who lives in a State that understand the Constitution better than most, it is my priviledge to allow the government to place “some” restictions on gun ownership.  No progressive/marxist cry-baby should ever be allowed to own any form of self protection.  Nor should they be allowed to employ anyone else to provide those services………………….let us see just how committed they are to “pacifism” when no one will come to their aid!

  • Jeanne Fiorito

     he’s toast in MA, Warren is in. The tide is turning

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  • Jeanne Fiorito

     how about NBC or CBS or ABC or anything other than Fox? Do they all lie?

  • Jeanne Fiorito

     you’ll never win with these neocons. They are sick

  • Jeanne Fiorito

     its spelled DYING dummy

  • Michael T Lyster

    No: he hates guns in YOUR hands. Because he’s a Democratic (former) politician, and knows what’s good for you. Whether you like it or not.

  • Michael T Lyster

    Rather more so than you, Wil.

  • Jeanne Fiorito

     why don’t you bring Zimmerman in from FL and congratulate him on a job well done. Take a look at the Fox website and see all the neocons in action. HAPPY that this happened. It is NOT about guns, its about the people behind guns. If you are an honest law abiding gun owner then no problem. Its when people use them for drug deals, robbing people AND killing people like Zimmerman did. Police get a bad rap from the public. Most of the time they did nothing wrong…in this case, Zimmerman hunted this boy down and murdered him and the police chief does nothing.

  • Michael T Lyster

    Yes, and twelve times as many kids are killed by sharks in Australia than in Belgium. Which, like your nonsensical and contextless figure, means nothing.  
    How many more times the number of kids killed by guns in the US are killed by Planned Parenthood in utero? Just askin’, since you’re obviously so concerned about children, Wil.
    My kids are in no danger: they both completed firearm education courses at 9 and 13. They are responsible, and have no needless, uninformed curiosity about guns, having been educated, and fired them  both in a supervised gun range and outdoors with me. And if you find yourself breaking into my home: they’ll kill you with one: unless I get to you first. 

  • Tom Michael

     Are you kidding?  Yeah, race has something to do with how this story’s being covered, but it’s mostly about a guy just chasing a complete stranger and killing them, whatever the race.  For many people it’s horrifying that someone carried a gun around and then actually used it on some random person.  

  • RenegadeScholar

    With all of the issues facing this country, this is what Republican senators are doing?

    Yes. Republicans are dealing with fundamental Constitutional rights.

    Democrats? The “right” to have someone else fund your sex life.

    Hmmm….which is more important…let me think…

  • Tom Michael

     this guy wil is just giving another side of the argument.  it’s not communist to point out that there’s two sides to an argument. And the information he/she posted is correct.  Regardless of child or adullt or whatever, most people can agree that fewer guns equals fewer people  getting killed.

  • Wil

    Tia, I hope your on someones watch list!

  • Altosackbuteer

    However unappealing Brown may or may not be, Warren is hardly any more attractive herself.  She is an out-of-state Ivy League debutante — not the taste du jour in the People’s Commonwealth.

    But you may be right.  A lot of it will depend upon the overal national mood come November.  If Øbama Øsama is as unpopular in November as he was in 2010, I’d say Warren will lose.

    By the way, you can thank Fat Boy Teddy Bare Kennedy for Scott Brown getting elected.  I’ll tell you how and wy.

    Teddy Bare knew in 2008 that he was desperately ill.  He SHOULD have announced that he was resigning, effective either immediately, or effective the day before Election Day.

    Had Teddy Bare done this, there’s no doubt in the world that MA would have elected some Democrat, any Democrat, to take his place.  MA would have elected his son, or his nephew Joe — because in 2008, Øbama Øsama was quite popular, and rolled to a landslide in MA.

    Teddy Bare COULD have ensured a legacy, for his party, and possibly his family.  And, spending his final months in peaceful retirement would have befitted someone who is going to die shortly and has to repose his soul to meet his Maker.

    But Teddy Bare was too damned greedy and selfish.  He regarded his Senate seat as just that — HIS, goddamit, and only Death itself could pry his greedy fingers from HIS seat.

    As it was, Teddy Bare made all of about 3% of all the roll calls in 2009 through the time he died in August — and most of those were early in the year. 

    Teddy Bare was an absentee senator that year.  MA got no value for having him as its senator.

    So Teddy Bare died, and Gov. Devil Patrick had to call a special election, and by this time, the Tea Party was surging, and Scott Brown THE REPUBLICAN got the so-called “family seat.”  And no Kennedy even dared tried to run for the seat, not nephew Joe, and not any of Teddy Bare’s children.

    It also didn’t help that the Democrats lined up a hapless, hopeless, stiff candidate in Martha Coakley — quite similar to Warren, actually.

    And that is how Scott Brown got that seat — because Fat Boy was too damned selfish to relinquish it when it was the right time to do so.

    As Scott Brown said to that WBZ TV interviewer — it’s NOT Teddy’s seat; it’s The People’s seat!

  • Wil

    I’m trying to remember the good rules for shooting. I
    guess the main two are; consider all weapons loaded and don’t point a weapon at
    anyone unless you intend to use it. Well it sure seems Columbine’s Harris and
    Klebold followed that advice to a tee. 

  • Altosackbuteer

    I can’t challenge your personal experience in NC.  But I assure you, in the People’s Commonwealth of MA, the cops are on the lookout for anyone they believe has resided in the Bay State for more than 30 days.

    Boston is a great university city.  Tons of students from out of state study in and around Boston.  And when they get pulled over — generally they haven’t changed their license plates either — the Commonwealth can fine them for not registering and licensing in MA as required.

  • Wil

    Sez you! And, you have no more rights then any other American!

  • Altosackbuteer

    His survivors can.

  • Altosackbuteer

    I certainly believe that.  I have a million times more confidence in the NRA than I do the Violence Policy Center.

  • Wil

    You wouldn’t by chance be Texas fruitcake Joe Horn?

  • Wil

    Back atcha!

  • Altosackbuteer

    Yes, indeedy.

  • Altosackbuteer

    You did alright, except for the remark about second-hand smoke.

    Second-hand smoke kills NOBODY, and injures only a few, such as asthmatics who have a sensitivity to it.  And those who say otherwise are simply anti-smoking fascists.

    Consider this: How long does it take a person to die from smoking PRIMARY smoke from one’s own cigarettes?  Most do not get sick from it, and even when they do, it take a lifetime’s worth of smoking PRIMARY smoke to accomplish that.

    Second-hand smoke is attenuated throughout rooms of given structures at a rate from maybe 10,000 – 1, to 1 million – 1.

    If PRIMARY smoke, 10,000 – 1 million times stronger than second-hand smoke, is such a weak killer, how can second-hand smoke harm anybody?

  • Wil

    Please educate us…waiting.

  • StanW

    YOU claimed the Act was directed at the Black Panthers.

    YOU claimed the Act disarmed the Black Panthers.

    BOTH of those things are LIES, Special Ed.

  • bloodaxe

    I have some bad news for you, mon ami. The Australians lost their gun rights years ago after a gun massacre in Tasmania- possibly set up by local anti-gun nuts with a little help from an American bitch named Rebecca Peters who was a hireling of the cretin George Soros. Canadians have severe restrictions on guns- no pistols, for example. The US is the only country on earth where the right to be armed is written into law. The 2nd Amendment should have been the 1st Amendment because without it we would soon lose all the others. Our enemies are ruthless and evil to the bone. And they are gaining on us.

  • 1LonesomeDove1

    Exactly what I said. Then the law does NOT pertain to them only, and you’re a liar.

    Doesn’t it bother you to be such a lying socialist moron?

  • bloodaxe

    He doesn’t have the authority to do that. And let him try to enforce it…what’s he going to do- kick in every door in the county looking for guns? Without a warrant? Fuck him. My French is very bad today. Forgive me.

  • 1LonesomeDove1

    “In fact he supported and signed a law to disarm them.”

    These are his very words, and he failed to prove them as fact.

    What he can prove is that he’s a child who throws tantrums when he gets a spanking.


  • bloodaxe

    The Black Panthers were a potentially dangerous bunch of ignorant thugs. They came close to being a subversive organization but never did anything other than posture. Criminals, lunatics and subversives forfeit their right to be armed. Reagan was my hero.
     So your point was supposed to make conservatives “think a bit”? So you think conservatives never give any serious thought to anything? And you do? 
    Well… you succeeded on a small scale. I think you’re an asshole. Put that in your crack pipe & smoke it, dipshit.

  • damocrapicthinker

    ABC – absolute bull crap
    CBS – complete bull shit
    CNN-completely nonsensical news
    MS-NBC -  more shit,- nothing but crap

    DNC – dysfunctional neurotic cretins

    this is what is available for the sheeple of the us that support the damocraps and the liberal agenda.
    Study your history. what the libs want has never succeeded.   when the brain dead OWS type take over,  all you have are “the killing fields of bodies exterminated by the people who want to power over you.  it is about power.  checkout the kymer rouge and cambodia after we exited vietnam.  you see what you get.  study hitler and nazi germany and the state mentality there. how about n.korea,   china,  any communist type country.   here is a quote from  the book “vietnam – a history” by stanley karnow -  maybe you may understand it,  it is from Dr Duong Quynh Hoa  a female physician educated in Paris. she joined the communist party in 1954. this state was spoken to a journalist in 1981.   in this she “poignantly professed her disenchantment— “I have been a communist all my life,”  she burst out passionately.  ” It is failure -  mismanagement, corruption, privilege, repression.”  ” MY IDEALS ARE GONE”    this is on page 37 of the book in the chapter called ‘ the war nobody won’.  the remainder of the page chronicles more.     read it first hand of someone who led the life, and fought the war and what was the reality of it all in the end. libs/damocraps are liars and are unwilling and afraid to look into the truth if it is detremental to their ideology,   or as i call it there stupidity.   try the truth, study history, there system never works and leaves bodies of dead individuals in their wake.   


  • Mad Mmaxxx

    56 plus million armed gun owners in this country. Bet your bottom side the government is worried. They know we are on to their lying, theiving ways. The Dem’s should realy be afraid. We will not allow America to be anything but a country of free people with a domacratic government. The constitution is to be upheld to the letter.
    Congress also needs to know the bills they passed exempting them from Sexual harrassment and other offenses need to go. the constitution does not provide any exemptions to the law.
    Just keep the faith, and your cool.
    Vote for anybody but Obama and most other democrats and you will keep this country safe 

  • David Sullivan

    I moved here from New York, even worse than here as far as gun laws are concerned.  I have 4 more years until I can get out and move south.  Being from New York and moving south may be a bit of a culture shock, but I think I’ll be fine when it happens, and don’t think I’ll look back.

  • bloodaxe

    The only thing you’ll hear from the libs on this is silence. The whole Gunrunner fiasco will be stonewalled forever and eventually swept under the rug and forgotten. No one will be disciplined, fired or thrown in jail. 
     Just for info- the Border Patrol Agent who was shot with an AK-47 supplied to the criminal scum by the imbeciles in ATF was armed with a Remington 870 12 guage shotgun loaded with non-lethal bean bags.

  • BigJess51

    I agree completely with you statement. The truth is that when we left Vietnam we left many to find out the truth about Communism first hand. They didn’t deserve that and we are as much to blame as anyone for leaving before the job was done. Now we are faced with the same excrement being pushed on us and we as a people have not learned from history and from those that have fought the good fight as warriors on the front line. No we follow the liberals into areas that we once knew were wrong and where we were once taught not to go when we were in school. What happened to America and the spirit of individualism that made this country great? We have listened to the liberal media and to those tht think they know how to live your life better than you as an individual do even though they do not have to face your problems and situations in life. If you have the right to keep and bear ams then you are a citizen if not you are a subject look at England and most other countries where they do not trust their people. I will stand up for my citizenship and will not go quietly into the night.

  • DanB_Tiffin

    Ed_USSR makes another good joke!
    A thieving liberal (meaning Ed_USSR) calling anyone else “worthless”
    Very funny!  Hillary ous!

    для теперь, Ed_USSR!

  • StanW

    GOOD, I am glad I make you sick. Little children like you who whine and wet their pant need to have truth shoved down your throat often.

    And it is no surprise that you have gone from pointing out typos to wishing me to be silenced. That is ALSO typical of whiny little bitches like you who get humiliated in public with your lies and can do nothing other than lash out at your betters.

    You had best ruin to bed now little bitch. Smacking you around requires no effort, so I can do this all night.

  • Duncan Jones

    Both sides clothe their arguments in the Constitution, and in both cases, those arguments find some support in the text of the document as well as in precedential rulings.  For an alleged scholar, your thinking is woefully simplistic.  

  • A_Proud_Infidel

     Hey ‘lil stupid one, yesterday in America,over 89 MILLION Gun Owners didn’t go on a rampage and kill anyone, what’s that tell you? OOOOHHH, did I huwt youwww feeewings again?  Go find someone who gives a whit, and have him/her/it call you a WAAAAHmbulance to take you somewhere to get a gwoup hug!!

  • A_Proud_Infidel

     How ‘Bout CBS= Communist Broadcast System, NBC=Nothing But Communism, and ABC=Always Broadcasting Communism!

  • George

     My dad bought me my first squirrel rifle when I was five. (22 single shot rifle). I bought my first 410 shot gun when I was nine with my paper route money. Got it at Montgomery Wards on lay-a-way, and DID NOT have an adult with me. Course, every one knew I was of a family of hunters. Course, we kids had our fusses AND fights, but it NEVER crossed our minds to take our guns to anybody. Through the years, it was AGAINST THE LAW to HIDE a gun in our possession, so we wore them “side arm” when we would go to the woods, or vacationing on our bikes. You can’t safely go from state to state anymore with worrying about the “gendarmes”. When we would go to Mexico on our bikes, we would leave our guns in the states with someone til we got back, we NEVER had a problem in America.  How the WORLD has changed!  NOW…where guns are outlawed, only outlaws have guns!