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Massive layoffs at another Obama stimulus company

Hard on the heels of $118 million “stimulus” recipient Ener1 declaring bankruptcy comes news that another highly-touted “green energy success story” just laid off two-thirds of its workforce.  From the Las Vegas Sun:

Just seven months after California-based solar power company Amonix Inc. opened its largest manufacturing plant, in North Las Vegas, the company’s contractor has laid off nearly two-thirds of its workforce.

Flextronics Industrial, the Singapore solar panel manufacturer that partnered with Amonix to staff the new $18 million, 214,000-square-foot plant, laid off about 200 of its 300-plus employees Tuesday.

This one’s pretty small on the usual scale of Obama “investment” failure, as taxpayers were only forced to give $5.9 million to Amonix by the Obama stimulus plan.  Still, it’s a real blow to Obama’s attempt to create American jobs by giving money to foreign “green energy “concerns.  Obama bragged about his brilliance in compelling us to support Amonix during a summer 2010 visit to Las Vegas (hat tip: Gateway Pundit.)

The company says these job cuts are “temporary” and they’ll soon be hiring again, to meet demand for their new solar power system.  The Las Vegas Sun report doesn’t make it sound like temporary belt-tightening:

The company scaled down at all levels of employment at the plant — which was hiring as recently as three months ago — from entry level assemblers, process engineers, production supervisors and quality-control techs, according to one employee who was laid off.

[…] Theodore Lewis, another employee, was working at the plant for six months before he and dozens of other employees were called into a mandatory meeting Tuesday.

“There was no excuse,” said Lewis, 34, who was never told his job was temporary. “They just said our job was done.”

Lewis said employees were confused and disappointed when they heard the news and were directed by human resources to look for other local jobs in retail.

Amazingly, Obama’s re-election strategy involves boasting of his job-creation prowess, and hoping desperately that voters don’t ask how long those wonderful stimulus jobs lasted, how many jobs were lost during the Obama presidency, how much the workforce contracted, and what the private sector might accomplish when liberated from ideologically-driven central planners. 

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  • Master Aries

    what kind of company can go through 118 million dollars that fast while only having 300 employees…probably would have been a better stimulus just splitting the money across them.

  • planeboy

    Gee…who could of seen this one coming….

  • globalcrap

    The O Bogus green jobs putting Americans out of work. The O Bogus green jobs wasting tax dollars.Who is this guy???

  • Guest

    Obama can forget about a job at Bain Capital when his presidency is done.

  • A_Proud_Infidel

    Just how much money did they donate to B. Hussein 0bama & co. before they took their cut and ran?

  • deeme

    So they had a party and passed taxpayer dollars out to all their friends…Hmmm where is this in our Constitution>>??

  • planeboy

      Its green jobs funding, nearly 80 percent of which went to foreign firms, effectively outsourced thousands of American jobs to foreign countries, at taxpayer expense.  Economists Timothy Conley and Bill Dupor say that the stimulus wiped out 550,000 jobs.

  • Niniane

    $5.9 million is nothing. That comes close to what Obama spends of our money going on vacation.

  • Lance Morrison

    ** Every day in America:

    * Daring families put it all on the line and open up a taqueria, or a sandwich shop.
    * Car salesmen go to work knowing it may be busy or slow, and their paychecks will tell the tale.
    * Entrepeneurs identify a need and form a plan to meet.

    ** The kiss of death is not their ideas. It is not their risks. Their risk is that fateful day that Joe Biden might show up and tell America their business is proof that the Federal government is the engine of the economy. God, if you ever work for a company that takes government money, or plans a visit with Barack Obama in a hard hat…run!!!

  • Lance Morrison

    When you really think about it, what the heck do liberals want solar panels for anyway?

    They apparently don’t believe the sun is what heats the earth’s atmosphere. They think lawnmowers do. If solar panels were worth their weight in energy, wouldn’t we want to buy them? Think about it; we buy gas and electric furnaces for our homes. We install air conditioning. Many of us can do it all by ourselves. When it comes to solar, it is such a political/social activity that you have to comb through government programs to qualify for  tax breaks, find a company, get permits, and arrange for your house to look like a Lego farm.

    In a world where every day Americans arrange their lives, make sound choices, and arrange for their energy needs, liberal and Socialist America is trying force an old, inefficient idea down our throats. They think humans impact the temperature of our atmosphere, that the sun is tangential to our existence. They ‘harness’ the sun as their slave, and as ‘Masters of the Universe,’ they pollute our ecology with battery development and their ultimate disposal. They pollute our earth with the plastics, titanium and copper for panels that become very difficult to recycle.

    Damn that sun.

  • Ol_Irish_Barrister

    “Protecting” Obama’s cranium with a hard hat is like protecting a bowling ball with styrofoam peanuts!
     

  • http://www.rant24x7.com/ ShainS

    I think all this falls under Article Two, Section Four: Impeachment.

    As John Adams warned (predicted?): “Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_DC4NAK6K2Z3WOQOKIQJLXAMK7A D

    RONALD REAGAN HAD IT RIGHT, THE SCARIEST THING ANYONE CAN HEAR IS, “I’M FROM THE GOVERNMENT AND I’M HERE TO HELP!”  BWAHAHAHAHA!

  • TeaPartyNation

    Add one more to the massive “green” sinkhole of FAILED companies run into bankruptcy by OBOZO crony capitalists:  Solyndra, Evergreen Energy, Beacon Power, Ener1, Amonix,…..

    American taxpayers get shafted while OBOZO’s bundlers and cronies walk away with BILLIONS of our tax dollars (minus the share of the loot they kick-back to the OBOZO campaign.)

  • Andrew Carney

    so can anybody tell if any company they pumped money into is actually hiring and making a profit all on their own????

  • deeme

    Thanks for breaking it down for me , I agree 100 %.. oh yeah one more thing, I guess we shouldn’t hold our breath…

  • DaneChile

    Solar enrgy is a good idea;  it´s just not yet ready for mass consumption.  In other words, it is not yet a viable product in the market.  If it were, it would not need subsidies.  Nope, this was crony capitalism at its ugliest.

  • sigp238

    “The company says these job cuts are “temporary” and they’ll soon be hiring again,”

    Yeah right, they will be hiring again just as soon as more “stimulus” money is made available.

  • globalcrap

    The stimulus money that the O Bogus regime has stolen, is going into his O Bogus war chest for O Bogus relections.

  • spinfactor418

    $5.9 million
    may not be not be anything but let’s talk to the employees that were laid off
    due to this company’s lack of organization which resulted in mis-managing this
    $5.9 million and in the end lay-offs. These employees were caught off guard at
    a meeting which was announced as a new schedule meeting. Instead of receiving a
    new schedule employees were told that they were laid off at that moment. Now
    550 laid-off employees are faced with wondering where their next paycheck will
    come from and how to pay bills and feed their families. I’m sure a percentage
    may result in homelessness also. Amonix and Flextronics continue to lie to the
    tax-paying public whom are footing the $5.9 million by stating that only 200
    employees were laid-off when in fact it was 550 out of nearly 700 employees.
    Amonix and Flextronics should be held accountable for the mis-management of
    these funds in addition to the concessions and incentives given by the City of
    North Las Vegas and the State of Nevada. Your employees are the heart and soul
    of your company and should be treated as such! Although you may not give a damn
    but SHAME on you Amonix, Flextronics and AreoTek!

    From a Laid-Off Flextronics/Amonix Employee!

  • spinfactor418

    employees that were laid off
    due to this company’s lack of organization which resulted in mis-managing this
    $5.9 million and in the end lay-offs. These employees were caught off guard at
    a meeting which was announced as a new schedule meeting. Instead of receiving a
    new schedule employees were told that they were laid off at that moment. Now
    550 laid-off employees are faced with wondering where their next paycheck will
    come from and how to pay bills and feed their families. I’m sure a percentage
    may result in homelessness also. Amonix and Flextronics continue to lie to the
    tax-paying public whom are footing the $5.9 million by stating that only 200
    employees were laid-off when in fact it was 550 out of nearly 700 employees.
    Amonix and Flextronics should be held accountable for the mis-management of
    these funds in addition to the concessions and incentives given by the City of
    North Las Vegas and the State of Nevada. Your employees are the heart and soul
    of your company and should be treated as such! Although you may not give a damn
    but SHAME on you Amonix, Flextronics and AreoTek!

    From a Laid-Off Flextronics/Amonix Employee!     

  • Steve Bunten

    There’s only one job the big “O” cares about and that’s his.

  • AgTrotter

    “Lewis said employees were confused and disappointed when they heard the news and were directed by human resources to look for other local jobs in retail.”

    Wow, what a shocker. One more green jobs scam about to bite the dust. But, on the bright side, Obamanomics has proven to be a healthy stimulus for bankruptcy attorneys and Wal-Mart.

  • Rick_Kalifornication

    Don’t you know we’re not supposed to judge them (liberals and by extension, the government) by their results, but by their good intentions?

  • Escapee1

    Yet ANOTHER giant suck-cess (aka FAILURE) for the Pretender-In-Chief!   America can’t stand too much more of this “green energy” job creation

  • Wumingren

    All of Obama’s “green investments” are nothing but moneylaundering schemes to transfer taxpayer money into Democratic campaign coffers.

  • Niniane

    It was meant as a snark. After Obama’s gifts to Solyndra and Ener1, it became obvious that their business models were not viable as there was no market demand and both filed for bankruptcy protection. Of course, Solyndra now wants another few million to give their honchos bonuses. And both auctions of Solyndra assets have not turned up any bidders.

    The Chinese produce and ship their solar panels much cheaper than Solyndra production costs in this country. And take a look at Evergreen Solar, which even shifted some production to China (more American job loss), but despite taxpayer support from the state of Massachusetts, went belly-up.

    Ener1 had a subsidiary which produced the ion-lithium batteries for electric cars and you see how that market is flourishing.

    I certainly hope you will find another job soon. And I feel certain your skills will be in demand in other industries. Please post again about how your search is going. My best to you and yours.

  • BigUgly666

    You are probably NOT a “taxpayer” ….. why are you “giving” your money to the government.
    Read the tax code – chances are, it does not apply to you, they are NOT “your” taxes, and you are not liable to the “federal” tax.

    It’s called the “Internal” revenue service for a reason.
    It’s called “federal income” tax for a reason.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Michael-Harrington/1137125517 Michael Harrington

    We can only hope that OBama also will find a new job soon as a community organizer or wherever else he may have an inkling of experience at doing.

  • eyeugize

    More Hopeless and Changeless direction from his majesty. 
    Can’t help now finding myself agreeing with Obama’s most severe critics.
    He really is out to destroy this country.

  • jagscl

    Probably because I don’t look good in striped clothing and don’t do well in confined living space.

  • 21Palms

    You’re overlooking some substantial upside for these employees. Having worked for a few months they have regained their eligibility for unemployment benefits and food stamps. 

    Pity the poor souls who didn’t get the chance to re-qualify and be thankful for a few temporary green jobs.

  • BigUgly666

    ….. and that is exactly why the “government” gets away with all of their unlawful activities.

  • GomeznSA

    Nope – I mean I can’t but perhaps someone else can. OTOH – IF there were truly any successful companies as a result of ‘stimulus’ a reasonable person would presume that barry and his cronies would be shouting it from the roof tops of the whitehouse and the capital steps. Of course they count gummintmotors as a success – let’s see – it has cost some $250000 per volt in subsidies. Makes successful take on a whole new meaning…..

  • 21Palms

    Hold that thought… “He really is out to destroy this country.”

    He’s deadly serious about destroying this country. Just wait until after he loses the election. You’re going to see three months of lame duck presidency that will make your hair stand on end. Once he knows he’s out the mask will come off.

  • deeme

    OK satan has arrived and the truth is not his forte…Mr. Gibbs is that you??

  • 21Palms

    I’m thinking he’ll be after the UN General Secretariat which will provide him a platform to continue to destroy the US. After that – Anti-Christ. 

  • Guest

    Funny, as a Canadian, I seem to understand your political system better than most Americans (and definitely those posting here). Do you guys not get it?  The US president is a figure head. If you want to blame and scapegoat, try looking at the House and Senate for answers. Here is where you’ll find a system so bogged down in special interest groups and the status quo, that you all should be happy to have what you’ve got considering what you’re working with. Stop wasting your time demonizing OB and get on looking for the real culprits. 

  • spinfactor418

    It should have not resorted to the measures of food stamps as an upside. Planning, communiation and poor management was at fault and the employees were the victims. I have applied for unemployment but it doesn’t even come close to what my standard salary is. I accepted this job based on the statement that the facility would be down 1 to 2 weeks between contracts, not 4 to 6 months. I just feel the company received a lot of money and glory for the upstart of this facility and should be held accountable for their actions. Inform employees that this was only a 6 month project and I would not be postingthis because they would been upfront and honest. Thanks for the good luck shout. I have an interview Tuesday afternoon so hopefully all goes well.

    ________________________________
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    21Palms wrote, in response to spinfactor418:
    You’re overlooking some substantial upside for these employees. Having worked for a few months they have regained their eligibility for unemployment benefits and food stamps.
    Pity the poor souls who didn’t get the chance to re-qualify and be thankful for a few temporary green jobs. Link to comment

  • Wayne Peterkin

    The basic problem is that the so-called “green energy” is not economically feasible. Solar panels and wind turbines both have major problems with cost and reliability. As such, neither can be relied upon to replace a major percentage of our traditional power generation any more than electric cars have the range and practicality to replace a major portion of our oil usage. Our government has failed the American people by not embracing sensible energy alternatives for the past 35 years or more, alternatives like clean, safe , and cheap nuclear power and CNG as a domestically-produced transportation fuel that really could make a major dent in our oil usage. We have practical energy alternatives available today that could dramatically reduce our dependence on foreign oil and provide abundant, economical energy for economic growth. But our government refuses to embrace those alternatives as they rather cater to special interests.  Obama’s energy policies are the worst yet, but this issue has been a huge government failure for many years. 

  • Dustoff

    Wind & solar work. IF you pay for them and of live in the middle of NO-where.

  • Dustoff

    Anyone notice. No lib’s have jumped into the comments to defend O-dumber?  

  • http://alexandermilne.co.uk/ Alexander Milne

    Ah yes…. the Blessed Ronald Reagan, the millionaire movie-star and non-businessman who ratcheted up US government spending.

    Of course, Reagan was a pragmatic centrist compared to some of the current GOP candidates.

    As for the supposed shortcomings of Obama, what disingenuous nonsense to completely ignore the titanic mess he inherited, and the fact that the stimulus package prevented a much, much worse economic crisis than we’ve already undergone.

    Two years ago, some of the wingnuts on Human Events threads were predicting that the USA would have collapsed into anarchy by now.  In two years’ time, those same wingnuts will be arguing about why the GOP’s manifestly p***poor candidates lost the 2012 election. 

  • http://alexandermilne.co.uk/ Alexander Milne

    And yet the US armed forces – government-controlled – are rather efficient, are they not?!

  • justinwachin

    The Obama administration has been spending their stimulus money in all the wrong places. While payoffs to supporters may go well for those receiving the money, there are better ways to spend the public’s money if the president truly wants to invest in America.

    Some of this money could go toward things that will reduce costs in the long run. Making government buildings more energy efficient would be a good start. Investing in road upgrades that reduce traffic congestion and traffic jams would offer real energy savings dividends for motorists.

    Even if Mr. Obama wishes to invest in solar energy he is going about it the wrong way. Buy solar panels or solar heating/cooling systems for government buildings. Buying a finished product gives a company the incentive to actually make and sell a product. Hopefully some of the manufacturer’s revenue will go toward research and development so they can improve the capabilities of their products while reducing costs. Giving money to companies is about like spending money on studies–the government ends up poorer and has nothing to show for their expenditure.

  • Lance Morrison

    What a weird post.

    Anarchy?? How about passing a ‘stimulus’ against the will of the majority of Americans? Gee, that money was well spent, wasn’t it? Gosh, they promised they knew more than we did–that they would keep unemplyment under 8 %.

    Anarchy?? How about promising they would post bills on the Net for a week, and then post nothing, pass a health care bill the  (is this familiar) great majority of Americans didn’t want.

    Anarchy?? How about supporting…uh…anarchists? Obama, Pelosi, Biden and the rest gave them their support. Gee, mass arrests in Oakland again last night…3 cops injured…city hall and a YMCA looted. AND, what a coincidence…Bill Ayers is running the Occupy show in D.C. Who’d a thunk it?

    Anarchy?? Our debt now surpasses the money we take in. You can carp on any Republican you like, but in 3 years, Obama has amassed more debt than all of his predessessors COMBINED!

  • markinalpine

    A “figure head,” with the ability to send our armed forces off to war, justified or not.  A figure head whose expenses are never questioned, as when his wife gets impatient and flies off on vacation a few days ahead of him at the additional cost of $4 Million.  A figure head whose law enforcement department chief has gotten at least one US citizen and untold numbers of Mexicans killed by selling guns to Mexican drug lords.
    YEAH, he’s just a lovable, meek, harmless little figure head.

  • ^♠^

    You seem to have overlooked the fact, Obama by passes the congress and treats it like an unwanted step child. 

    It is Obama’s fault.

  • jagscl

    Talk is easy. I don’t intend to disobey the law just to make you happy.

  • Niniane

    I have to disagree. The White House visitor logs are filled with rich special interest groups coming in for a chit-chat with the president. They give large donations to his reelection campaign and suddenly there is a new “investment” we taxpayers must make. Just the case of Solyndra, the solar company, which was a big investment of billionaire George Kaiser. It was going down badly as their products were too expensive. But, George came in and had a chat. After that tax money was given in loan guarantees for more than a half-trillion dollars. And the Dept. of Energy changed the contract somehow so that the tax dollars were subordinated to the private investors. That is close to illegal.

    Another case is General Motors. Private bondholders which had invested in the company were suddenly wiped out after Obama invested billions — and we have a Chevy Volt, an all electric car which costs about $40,000, only goes 40 miles without recharging the battery and there are no places to recharge for hours publicly available. And replacing the battery will cost thousands more on top of the electric bill.

    Obama is not a figurehead, but I fear he has declared himself emperor. His next big idea will probably be buidling a monument to hiimself.

  • kipmjf

    A word to the wise:  Mr. “Milne”  resides in London, and his understanding of the USA  is entirely based on the very far left European media, which is even worse that the USA media. 

    As you have gathered, he is rather weird.   I quote here from another of his July 2011 weird post.:
     

    “Re: “American exceptionalism”.  What is there to understand?  It’s all
    nonsense.  Nothing has happened in the USA that hasn’t happened
    elsewhere; and plenty of places managed to grow and develop without
    slaughtering the indigenous population. ”

    Why would you waste your time communicating with a person who writes such nonsense?  Save your posts for people who are worth debating.

  • esto_perpetua

    Perhaps he could land a job at one of Sheldon
    Adelson’s enterprises then…

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_FPOYT2KT2BYO3F7JAYTX2DZZKY DouglasH

    Communist Propaganda!

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_FPOYT2KT2BYO3F7JAYTX2DZZKY DouglasH

    Communist Propaganda!

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_FPOYT2KT2BYO3F7JAYTX2DZZKY DouglasH

    It is called Fascism.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_FPOYT2KT2BYO3F7JAYTX2DZZKY DouglasH

    As a Canadian, your opinion doesn’t really matter does it?

  • AgTrotter


    the fact that the stimulus package prevented a much, much worse economic crisis than we’ve already undergone”

    My my, how convenient. Assert an outcome that can’t be proven one way or another. Yes, of course it has to be that the Man-Child is a miracle worker. The GAO can’t even track the majority of the stimulus dollars, but it just had to be positive. The One has saved the world from sure apocalypse.

    Frankly, Bruce Willis was more believable when he saved the world.

  • AgTrotter

    Let’s ignore the obvious fact that national defense is a Constitutional duty of the federal gubmint, whereas creation of “green jobs” is not. In comparison to other gubmint duties, the military is probably relatively efficient. However, compared to well-run private sector companies, it is very inefficient.

    Next.

  • http://kenneth-paul.blogspot.com/ Spook

    Sounds like a “bustout” operation to me. The company gets a large infusion of cashb. Owners/share holders loot the company and bankrupt it.
    This is just on a government scale where its big donors instead of owners.

  • pointsett

    You, sir. are an obvious ” wingnut ” and I would speculate, with limited capacity. Typical Democrat myopia.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_4I76REPEX5YTNDPGJVYS4324GE A. Palmer Jr.

    What does Obama or the administration know about investing or running a company? No one on Obama’s team has ever run as much as a donut shop!

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_4I76REPEX5YTNDPGJVYS4324GE A. Palmer Jr.

    If any company needs stimulus money to survive they might as well board up their buildings right now..

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_4I76REPEX5YTNDPGJVYS4324GE A. Palmer Jr.

    I’m not that great at math when the numbers get into the trillions but it looks like to me that with all the trillions that are spent, we could have divided up the money between all the US citizens making less that 200,000 a year and we’d all be rich.  20 trillion divided by 300,000 equals what?

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_4I76REPEX5YTNDPGJVYS4324GE A. Palmer Jr.

    He’ll tell us that he really is from Kenya, not a citizen, never went to college, and fooled all the minorities into voting for him because he speaks well and is black.

  • cantonst

    Can we survive four more years of this?  President Obama is a idealogue who believes deep down in socialism/communism.  He has to destroy this country in order to rebuild it into the socialistic ‘utopia’ he has been conditioned since birth to idealize.  But is this what any of us want?  Maybe those who have given up hope and lack any shred of ambition, motivation, and self worth.  Hopefully that segment of our American society hasn’t reached proportions large enough to determine the November elections.  But after four more years like the last four years, no doubt, that segment will be in control if they aren’t already.  President Obama is the poster child for the socialist movement.  He is their messiah, but the nation’s (as we know it) pariah.  The environmental movement is the tool he is using to initiate the destruction.  May God help us!

  • http://alexandermilne.co.uk/ Alexander Milne

    pointsett -

    “Democrat”?  I’m not even a US citizen and I don’t have much time for the Democrats either.  

    How about responding to one or two of the specific points I made, instead of resorting to (in your words) speculation?!

  • http://alexandermilne.co.uk/ Alexander Milne

    GouglasH -

    Ah yes.  “Communist propaganda”.  The great conservative fallback insult, when all reason fails.Well, sir, this “communist” has worked in the private sector (banking) for over 24 years.  I believe in a mixed economy, not a 100% state-owned affair.

  • http://alexandermilne.co.uk/ Alexander Milne

    AgTrotter -

    You think the US armed forces are only “relatively efficient”?

    What kind of anti-patriotic talk is that?!

    There are other examples of successful government intervention to improve people’s lives and mitigate the worst effects of capitalism.  Think about it and I’m sure you can come up with some.

  • http://alexandermilne.co.uk/ Alexander Milne

    Lance -

    What is “weird” is claiming that Obama had no popular mandate.  I know it’s hard for some of you conservative fact-deniers to take in but he won the 2008 election.  And, like it or not, there WERE Human Events posters predicting anarchy.  The US right thrives on anything-goes hyperbole.

    And yes, the stimulus money WAS well-spent, since the USA obviously hasn’t fallen off a cliff, economically, which it most certainly would have done if its biggest financial institutions had been allowed to fail.  Read the economic bulletins that come from professionals, Lance (as opposed to rightwing sources) and they all say that the US economy has embarked on  a fragile recovery.   

    As you said: Who’d have thunk it?

    Your US public debt statement is factually incorrect, by the way.  Get hold of some charts and ponder anew.  I can help if you like :-)

    You are making the layman’s error of assuming that debt incurred within the current “accounting period” has nothing to do with the strategic decisions (or lack of them) in previous periods, which is completely unrealistic.  

    As for your underlying assumption that leftie extremists are calling the shots……. How come the USA is more economically unequal than ever, and the banks that received (temporary) state funding are still in the private sector?

    Think!

  • http://alexandermilne.co.uk/ Alexander Milne

    kipmfj -

    Hard as it might be for rightwing Americans to process, “American exceptionalism” comes across as arrogance and superiority.

    Sorry!

    I’m also sorry for you if you think that the European media is all “very far left”.   Your insufficient grasp of detail almost makes me wish that you DID want to debate with me.  

    But it’s flattering to think that my July 2011 post had such an impact that you’re quoting it 7 months later.  I feel like my efforts have been all worthwhile ;-)

  • http://alexandermilne.co.uk/ Alexander Milne

    AgTrotter -

    “An outcome that can’t be proved one way or the other”?  What are you on about?!  Post-stimulus, the US economy obviously hasn’t obviously hasn’t fallen off a cliff, economically, which it most certainly would have done if its biggest financial institutions had been allowed to fail.  Read the economic bulletins that come from professionals (as opposed to rightwing sources) and they all say that the US economy has embarked on  a fragile recovery.  Remember the massive damage (liquidity freeze) caused when just one bank (Lehman Bros) was allowed to go under.  

    The counterfactuals are mainly rightwing, thank-you-very-much!  

    I don’t think Obama is Superman – or Bruce Willis (too rightwing, our Brucie), but fair’s fair; he inherited a mess.  

    As for the “Man-Child” stuff…… please leave the playground insults where they belong.  

  • 2richard1

    Typical of Obama he ignores a multimillion dollar deal with the pipeline and deals with dreams not realities with unrproven technologies that could be many years from being practical.  This is a litmus test he doesn’t know what he’s doing.  Hence why would we vote for this charlatan illegal alien socialist and general leech on our system.  Let this exercise in the left be the “belly flop” disaster that it is and move on to a proven leader Romney someone who knows how to prosper and follow the rule of law not make it up as he goes along like Obama.

  • 2richard1

    Holder and Obama the Everly Brothers of incompetence.

  • AgTrotter

    Alexis, the fact is that you can’t prove that the stimulus did anything positive. What you are presenting as fact is merely opinion and conjecture. Given that the federal gubmint can’t even account for where the stimulus money went, no rational person can claim that the money was successfully spent.

    Oh, I realize that you fancy yourself as a powerful thinker. But, the sad reality is that you are nothing more than a sophist and contrarian. And, I’m sorry if the use of “Man-Child” so deeply offends you. Given that we have a mentally unstable child masquerading as a man inhabiting the White House, I can think of no better description.

  • AgTrotter

    Alexis is actually worse than a democrat; he’s euro-trash.

  • Unbridaled

     I HATE THIS POOR EXCUSE FOR A HUMAN WITH EVERY FIBRE OF MY BEING! I CURSE HIS EXISTENCE AND THOSE RESPONSIBLE FOR IT! I WISH THAT THOSE CLOSEST TO HIM EXPERIENCE NOTHING BUT COMPLETE AND UTTERLY DEVESTATING DISPARE FOR ALL ETERNATY!
     I think that pretty well covers it….

  • jim

    An influential Minuteman PAC is weighing in on the argument over Barack Obama’s eligibility to be president, with a call for concerned citizens across the country to flood their state secretaries of state offices with requests that Obama be removed from the 2012 ballot. if your a concerned citizen who once and for all wants this question resolved get involved !!! this is our country lets take it back!!!! copy and past the statement below into an email with your name and town at the bottom of the email   google secretary of state for your state to get the correct email address of your secretary of state :: 
    We respectfully request that Obama be removed from the 2012 ballot, Obama likely does not meet the constitutional requirement of being a “natural born citizen” to be president.  The Founders likely understood that to mean the offspring of two citizen parents and an 1875 Supreme Court decision suggested the same. But Obama, by his own admission, could not qualify under those circumstances because his father never was an American citizen.      As our Founding Fathers intended, it is the states which protect us from all out tyranny. The federal election in 2012 and the constitutional eligibility of the candidates is no different. In the end, our states are responsible for ensuring the eligibility of candidates and our states will protect us from the tyranny of a presidential usurper.                     your name and town here

  • dangrant27

    Reagan quadrupled the deficit, furnished bin Laden, Saddam and Iran with money and weapons. Do you remember the Iran Contra deal, how quickly we choose to forget.

  • SOF Warrior

    Milne,

    Why don’t you mind your own business and stay the F**K out of our affairs? We’ve already kicked your limey a s s e s twice in our brief history and I’m pretty sure with a weakened military we can d a m n sure do it again!

  • SOF Warrior

    Since you pointed out the fact that you are not a US citizen…I again say…stay the F**K out of our business. Nobody, except maybe Soros, Reed, Obama, cares what you think.

  • dangrant27

    Evidently you are not too swift, I got a solar unit, back when the only president became interested in alternative energy (The old whipping horse Jimmy Carter) and it heats my hot water so hot until you cannot put your hand under it. Think how much electricity it takes to heat your hot water and subtract it from your light bill, get the idea Mr know it all.

  • hicusdicus

    You are in England? England is doing so well.  If Britain’s slide into obscurity gets any faster it will soon exceed the speed of light.

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  • Dons621

    The latest layoff at the Solar company will get the unemployment checks for how many weeks 36,72,98 indefinite??? . Just keep sucking them in OBOZO.  I heard a Disc jockey doing a Jay Leno type walk on the street skt. He ask 10 people this question.  “What American city has the Spanish name, Los Angles”?  The 10th person answered “Los Angles”  And we wonder why Obama was voted in as President. Our younger people are just plain STUPID.

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  • Linda De

    Hello Canada!

  • hicusdicus

    Forget what?  Should we also forget how the cold war ended? Not one nuked city, how about that!

  • Linda De

    Hopefully with his head in it!

  • hicusdicus

    They may not have ever run a do nut shop but they sure know how to give away the dough.

  • hicusdicus

    Muslims are religious people. Was the constitution made for them?

  • hicusdicus

    The government gets away with what ever it wants because they have the most-est and biggest guns.

  • hicusdicus

    I doubt it. They will just pay there executives more bonuses.

  • hicusdicus

    The only green energy that truly works is that green energy that grows on a bush. I guess one could say that going green is one of the biggest money sources in this country.  It works best when it goes up in smoke. LOL

  • hicusdicus

    Speaks well?????  He reads a teleprompter well and that’s about it.

  • hicusdicus

    What do you do  when the sun don’t shine?  I have had banks of solar units. I know how well they don’t work.

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  • hicusdicus

    You are funny. The US military has never filed for bankruptcy.

  • hicusdicus

    He could go to picking cotton and lifting bales and find out what real black  history is all about.

  • hicusdicus

    These co. were not mismanaged the owners did quite well and got what they wanted.

  • hicusdicus

    And don’t mind having days like the old pioneers had.

  • hicusdicus

    Our young people are definitely not plain stupid. They are educated and stupid. Educated in the American public school system.

  • joanma

    You must be kidding?!. Have you seen where the stimulous money went? You can find out and note that some money went to study the effect of a shrimp on a treadmil. There are hundreds of these examples because ya know Biden was in charge of making sure the money was well spent. Obama himself laughed when he admitted that there were ” no shovel ready projects” Why do you doubt your great leader’s words?

  • BigUgly666

    No, they do not!
    The average hunting rifle is much more powerful that the average military weapon, and, there are many times more privately held weapons than there are military weapons.
    The real problem is – “they” are much more willing to use deadly force that is the average American.

  • AgTrotter

    Not to burst your bubble but, what federal agency has ever filed for bankruptcy?

  • AgTrotter

    Nice try, Alexis.

  • http://alexandermilne.co.uk/ Alexander Milne

    “Alexis, the fact is that you can’t prove that the stimulus did anything positive. What you are presenting as fact is merely opinion and conjecture.”
    Not at all, AgTrotter.  All I need to do is point out the obvious fact that the US economy hasn’t fallen off a cliff, as many of your rightwing buddies predicted in January 2009 and shortly thereafter (having given Bush the benefit of the doubt while he racked up the debt and mismanaged the financial crisis).

    I’m not a politician; I am a banker and I am required to read a lot of economic data prepared by a range of sources.  That is why I am quite comfortable in stating that the USA is engaged in a fragile but unmistakeable recovery.

    As for the “Man-Child” stuff, now THAT is pure conjecture.  Listening to the GOP candidates arguing about whether Fidel Castro will go to Heaven or Hell, or some such irrelevant nonsense, or attacking each other’s hypocrisy / flipflopping / whatever, most of us outside the rightwing blogosphere are thinking that Obama is comparatively level-headed! 

  • http://alexandermilne.co.uk/ Alexander Milne

    hicusdicus -

    Nobody’s ever really won an argument with the US armed forces?  Tell it to the Vietnamese.

    The rest of your comments (about my banking career, England etc) are a bit silly and irrelevant, aren’t they?  So forgive me if I don’t reply point-by-point.  I have already mentioned a few points relating to this thread’s topic.  If you’d care to frame an adult response, I’m waiting.  

    Or is free speech wasted on you?

    BTW To the confused ex-military “gentleman” who said that I should butt out of US affairs…… I will if you Republicans will butt out of European / UK / world affairs.  Meanwhile US troops are in 150+ countries, mostly unwanted and unnecessary.  And – important point this – Human Events is on the WWW – that stands for WORLDWIDE Web.  Finally, try to bear in mind that the UK is a US ally!

  • dangrant27

    That is bigotry at it’s worst, and you should be ashamed, the Black people could not help that they were enslaved, I guess you would like to go back to that, lift that bale, despicable!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • Techquad

    Typical brit banker, like we still have all England’s gold locked up in our vaults for lend-lease period that saved their asses.  We have liked most from the big island for many years, but of late the left and poor immigration  of Islamic rejects has just about ruined the real Old England.
    Of course the crown is still an issue with us and their ownership of resources in Cananda, every barrel of tar-sand will have a royalty fee for the Queen.. not a bad deal for her wealth..   How much of that will go to the English treasury???? I travel very little in my old age, but did like to have to stop overnight  in England,  they ran a great international airport system, fast and easy and no machine guns tooting police and army types, like in far east and near east, oh yeah and Italy airports.

  • Techquad

    in 2006 the dummie dems took over congress and Pelosi ran a real left socialist agenda and dumped a lot on Bush to sign…for that signing and not Vetoing I will forever hold him responsible for most of the mess he let get through by being the MR NICE GUY.  But it was Dem stuff, not Bush stuff that Obummmmer is harping on.

  • http://alexandermilne.co.uk/ Alexander Milne

    Techquad said:-

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    Typical brit banker, like we still have all England’s gold locked up in our vaults for lend-lease period that saved their asses.  We have liked most from the big island for many years, but of late the left and poor immigration  of Islamic rejects has just about ruined the real Old England.
    Of course the crown is still an issue with us and their ownership of resources in Cananda, every barrel of tar-sand will have a royalty fee for the Queen.. not a bad deal for her wealth..   How much of that will go to the English treasury???? I travel very little in my old age, but did like to have to stop overnight  in England,  they ran a great international airport system, fast and easy and no machine guns tooting police and army types, like in far east and near east, oh yeah and Italy airports.

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    Techquad – the last LendLease payment was made just 5 years ago so your comment about England’s gold vaults is (accidentally) quite accurate.  As for “saving our asses”, you left out the bit where World War Two raged for over 2 years before Germany declared war on the USA, thereby forcing your hand.  And – while appreciative of US assistance – I can’t help but recall that the really monumental and decisive losses were incurred by the USSR.  In short: money doesn’t win wars, great soldiers and generals do.  If money and equipment won wars, America would have won the Vietnam War, would they not? :-)

    Glad you enjoyed the UK airport system.  Your inaccurate observation about “Islamic rejects” (the familiar accusation that we’ve been “taken over” by Muslims) certainly indicates that you didn’t spend much time OUTSIDE the airport.
      

  • Techquad

    Big Ugly666 is right on, if you just count the hunting lic. issued in all the states and use just one rifle per tag, we in the USA have the largest standing army in the history of the world.  Japan knew this way back and other knew it that is why the took all the civilians guns they could grab. Our own armies have stripped away gun ownership in Iraq and Afganies for a time, but had to reverse the orders later..We have a 2nd amendment for a reason. Just the big cities believe that pap.
    Of Course England is full of the NO Gun left behind types, and look what it get them…lefties and take over specialist,, OWS anarchist.

  • Techquad

    Don’t forget the payback to the Czars and company that he started.

  • Techquad

    Yes but if it comes off, no Republican should be in the same block or town when it happens.. the blame of him losing his head would be reason for the left to riot in every town and burn down DC again, like they did when MLK was shot.  I was in DC then andhad a military escort out of town. NIxon was right on rebuilding DC if they burn, they can rebuild it.. It was a mess for years and they ‘the burner” blamed all republicans…tough shit.

  • http://alexandermilne.co.uk/ Alexander Milne

    Techquad said:-

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    in 2006 the dummie dems took over congress and Pelosi ran a real left socialist agenda and dumped a lot on Bush to sign…for that signing and not Vetoing I will forever hold him responsible for most of the mess he let get through by being the MR NICE GUY.  But it was Dem stuff, not Bush stuff that Obummmmer is harping on.

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    What you call “real left socialist”, the rest of the world calls “centre-right”.  

    As for Bush “Mr Nice Guy”…… 1 million Iraqi dead would disagree.  

  • dangrant27

    If you are thinking that the Soviet Union fell because of Reagan you are sadly  mistaken for the fell of their own weight of trying to keep up with us militarily. Ronnie slept through his second term, the poor man not of his causing, had Alzheimer. Our economy was not good during the Reagan administration.. When he had Ollie North doing his dirty work with Iran, he hung Ollie and Capt Poindexter , swing in the breeze as if he knew nothing! Oh by the way you are ridiculous and bigot! You must not have the courage of your convictions as you hide your name coward.

  • Techquad

    Works for RV people off the grid, but the expense is very high and batteries are just a couple years of service.  Wind mills are great, but not very cost effective. But the greenies are obsoleting coal plants at the same speed as wind turbine sites are developed and no one was elected to make the Epa or Energy Dept operate. With out one vote, they have tried to break every utility company. Research it yourselves.

  • dangrant27

    Move to the Sunshine State, I have lived in the North before and it is not for me, of course I was born in the Sunshine State on a cold morning in 1927. Solar unites work fine here.

  • dangrant27

    Come on Dude we have not won a war in sixty seven years, ponder that Mr know-it-all. The  Military is much mor efficient than when I was in WWII but we seem to pick the wrong wars, Korea, Vietnam, Afghanistan and Iraq, tell me what we have gained from either of them.

  • Techquad

    The Great Society program spent so much that if  the money was spent by giving away $50,000 to every man, woman and child in the poverty camp status a grand saving of 50% would have been made. Perhaps that number is greater, no resource for a fact check, excuse me. Poverty Pimps , snake  oil salesmen, community organizers and etc.,make money setting up payouts and monitoring the poor people, to be sure they get their fair share.  Of the remainder, which is again  at something in the order of less than 10% of the gross.. No wonder the gov’ment,. can not tell or will not tell where all the money went.  Riots would ensue throught the land and off with their heads would be the battle cry..

    Not ‘do not re-elect this or that A–hole’. Tolerance begats what?

  • Techquad

    Palmer, I went to HS with one of same name he was one of the few blacks in the school at the time, later it went to 95% and was a failed school. Although it still operating in Oakland.

    As to lame duck stuff, when Carter left office, I had the chore of reading the congressional record for a small company. The average issue was just a few pages per day.  But in the last few weeks or days it was a Fed Ex box size report.  Some of this was changed under Gingrich rules that if you spoke it was  one way, if it was not spoken and placed in CR it was in different typeset.  Wonder if it still so. 

    My point is they,  the Dems, saw a chance to make their last HuRah and like the 2000+ page bills of today, they loaded up the record and voted hugh items. Each day.  One I really disliked was the wild rivers act, that CA  is still force to live under..but that example is what we need to expect and close the door before the horses get away…I  cry not for my former home state and glad I left.

  • Techquad

    Of course we are allies but we can be civil to one another. Something this series of posts seem to lack.

    As to USA out of Europe, I totally agree with that statement, the dems got us into almost every war and seem to nation build on the dust heaps of wars forever. 
    Better we leave and let them fix themselves or die trying in civil wars like Iraq and do not think Iran would be any differant, should we off half cocked.  The sucking sound of money drain and lives lost will be like the Iran/Iraq conflict—on and on. But this time a lot of good Iranians and US allies will also be gone. I met a lot in Iran and worked with a lot in US where I thought none would every get a security clearance, but the gov thought better.  Damn fools, look at what has been taken away from us. The Dems changed the security rules under Clinton fools.

  • leebob

    Clinton made a lot of changes that are just now begining to surface. What is the largest military in the world during the Clinton term. All the weapons and military might this country had and was declared excess and given away to foriegn countries.

  • leebob

    I have two brothers, one went to HS in Oakland, no problems, one went to the same HS in Oakland five years later some problems, one went there five years later and was in trouble all the time and had to fight the bblks al the way through HS.

  • http://alexandermilne.co.uk/ Alexander Milne

    I agree, Techquad – civility is sadly lacking from the majority of Human Events posts.  It seems anonymity brings out the worst in people.  

    By the tone of remarks about the USA’s need to extricate itself from expensive overseas military commitments, you seem to be close to the position of GOP Presidential candidate Ron Paul.  I think Paul is right about that, although it’s also obvious he has next-to-zero chance of becoming the GOP candidate, let alone President.

    Going to war against Iran would be madness, especially at the moment, when the global economy is in such a feeble state.  

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  • hicusdicus

    I live in the south. Solar units are not cost effective for the average person. To set them up properly they are complicated and expensive and high maintenance . I heat with wood and my electric bill averages about $135.00 a month year around. I have 3 heat pumps ,steam sauna, 4 computers two 55 inch  flat screens and a 5000 watt water heater. I have a 3000 sq ft shop which run about $22.00 a month.  There is no way solar is going to run my stuff. I told you I have already tried it. I am a retired electrician.

  • hicusdicus

    I am not sad or mistaken. I would suggest you go back to school  take some english courses along with a big dose of history and political science.  Learn appropriate word usage while you are at it.

  • hicusdicus

    You two guys are living in laa laa land. Abrams tanks, Jets. drones, nukes, and military satellites. A hunting rifle up against a SAW or a mini gun HA, HA! Not to mention training. A pack of beer drinking  pot bellied deer hunters cannot compare to trained military.

  • hicusdicus

    Do you have any idea what reading comprehension is?  You have got to be one of the most uneducated people I have ever run across on a forum. For your own sake learn to under stand what you are reading.  There are two sides to every story. If black people had never been brought here as slaves they would all still be in Darfur brushing the flies off of  their HIV.  bloated bodies.. That is a fact not a bigoted statement. For your seemingly empty information files, slavery is still rampant world wide and crosses all color lines.

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    You just don’t get it do you? A sense of humor requires above average intelligence. Where does that leave you?

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  • http://alexandermilne.co.uk/ Alexander Milne

    hicusdicus -

    Who in the world says “Ay matey”?!  You’ve been watching too many pirate movies, I think.  Or you’ve been educated at the Dick Van Dyke School of Cockney Accents.

    Still, it sets the tone for the rest of your equally inaccurate observations, including one of the great American conservative myths: the so-called Islamic “takeover” of Britain, with a local Taleban Gestapo forcing us to use “prayer rugs”. 

    The Prime Minister David Cameron and his Cabinet are white upper-middle-class Christian millionaires; the British Muslim community is tiny; Islamic teetotallers wouldn’t last 5 minutes in boozy Britain; but why let the facts spoil a good story?! Considering that a large number of the wingnuts on your side are convinced that the President of the United States is a Muslim extremist, you’d think they’d be more circumspect about accusing other countries of similar misfortune.  But of course, that would require consistency of argument.

    As for the “guard dog with three legs” jibe……  Lame (pardon the pun)!  And really ungrateful.  Again, consider the facts.  UK support for Bush’s “9/11″ invasion of Iraq provided a useful figleaf for the White House.  And the only major war that America fought without Britain in the post-war period was in Vietnam.  ‘Nuff said.  

    Of course, I’m not counting the pre-1945 genocidal wars waged against the Native Americans.  Yee-haw!

    At least the Pax Britannica lasted 100 years; the Yanks managed about 30 years before it all started to go horribly wrong.  To go from being the world’s biggest creditor nation to the biggest debtor within a generation was an incredible decline.  It was made possible by credulous blowhards, xenophobes and armchair warriors who obviously still think it’s the 1950s.

    And you’re against “bankers” too.  Quelle surprise.  Which bankers?  Me? All of them?  In which case, I would love to hear your alternatives for a financial system without intermediation.  Back to the Davy Crockett days of barter?

    I am assuming, of course, you’ve thought it through :-)

  • http://alexandermilne.co.uk/ Alexander Milne

    “The only thing I would share with you comes out of a round tube at 3000 feet per second…… I wish someone would hurry up and find a scuttle cock for that thing you call an island”.

    Angry little chap, aren’t you?!

    As for finding the “scuttle cock”, if you send the same guys who were supposed to find the WMDs in Iraq, we’ve nothing to worry about ;-)

  • Techquad

    Point one: I am mostly for Newt, and will accept Mitt, but I am not now nor have I ever supported Ron Paul.

     I was not a Bachman or other supporters either.  But I really like Herman Cain, for his straight forward way of telling the ill informed what life is really about. Beside he worked well  with Newt in their one on one debate. A precurser to BHO /  Newt debates.

    He is not in the POTUS race, but he will be in someway important to the election, so WILL PALIN, who also was not ready for prime time.

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  • http://alexandermilne.co.uk/ Alexander Milne

    hicusdicus -

    So you “really don’t give a big dump” about it all?

    So how come you’ve just today posted 442 words on a political website?  

    I am interested in US politics; you say you’re uninterested.  So why are you here?  And who exactly is wasting their time?!

    You’re a doom-monger.  Cheer up.  Tell us about something positive that you enjoy, instead of criticising foreigners, homosexuals, people from Arkansas, bankers and other stuff you “really don’t care about”.  

    I’m off to work now.  Banking.  Gotta make a living!  BTW I notice you have no alternatives to the banking system, no thoughts whatsoever about financial intermediation.  What’s the matter: blinded by science?

    Lightweight!

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    What you have just said has no significance what so ever. 

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Hob-Bit-Ual/1334198874 Hob Bit Ual

    actually it was charlie wilson  a democrat from texas whosupplied all the money and weapons and who can be credited with created the taliban
    he was gonna bleed the soviets in afghanastan in the same way that the soviets and chinese did to the us in vietnam~~~~~
    ” how quickly we ignore “

  • http://alexandermilne.co.uk/ Alexander Milne

    So……. I take it that you haven’t a clue what “financial intermediation” means?!

  • http://alexandermilne.co.uk/ Alexander Milne

    hicusdicus said:-

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    Why do you say they did not win a war that never actually existed?  What the military did was break things and kill the enemy.  Who got the most stuff broken and people killed. I suppose you agree with what the Vietcong did to their own people?

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    So now you’re saying that the Vietnam war actually never happened?

    Wow.  I preferred it when you were trying to be funny and misanthropic.  And I have to say, that’s quite a statement from someone who claimed to be totally disinterested in politics, religion etc.

    Since you ask – and, against my better judgement, taking your last question seriously – why do you think that the Viet Cong fought in the first place?  For their national independence, of course.  You know – 1776 and all that.

    What the Viet Cong did to their own people was a tiny drop in the ocean compared to what the USA did.  I suggest you pick up and read a book about the “non-existent” war, particularly the racial profile of its victims.

    Have a nice day!

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  • http://alexandermilne.co.uk/ Alexander Milne

    Total blather.  You start a discussion about a subject (bankers) but you can’t finish it.  Re: knowledge.  “Will it make my life more exciting?”  No, but it might make you more credible on those internet debate forums that you say you “don’t care a dump” about!

  • http://alexandermilne.co.uk/ Alexander Milne

    I wasn’t there at the French Revolution either but I know happened.  Books are helpful like that; I recommend ‘em.

    Re: “All the US did was take over where the British left off.”  Not in Vietnam, of course.  So I assume you mean globally.  Well, up to a point.  At least we kept the Pax Britannica for 100 years (1815-1914) whereas America, with all the great economic advantages it had, managed to turn itself into the world’s biggest debtor nation within 40 years.  

    PS Keep going with the puerile insults – makes me look good in comparison ;-)

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    So “the British sense of humor [sic] is non existent”?

    You’re quite fond of making sweeping statements about other nationalities, aren’t you?

    In fact – let’s be honest – you’re a bit of a bigot and racist.  For example, when you said…..

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    Do you have any idea what reading comprehension is?  You have got to be one of the most uneducated people I have ever run across on a forum. For your own sake learn to
    under stand what you are reading.  There are two sides to every story. If black people had never been brought here as slaves they would all still be in Darfur brushing the flies off of their HIV.  bloated bodies.. That is a fact not a bigoted statement. 

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    Thanks very much, but I’ll take the British sense of “humor” (sic) over yours anyday :-)

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    hicusdicus -

    Never mind all your silliness about the British and the Spanish Empires (conveniently forgetting it was the British Empire that first abolished slavery, in 1833, and the Americans who took over what was left of the Spanish Empire in 1898) .   

    You said in an earlier thread that it was OK that US settlers killed Native Americans.

    Then you said, to another person on this thread:-

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    Do you have any idea what reading comprehension is?  You have got to be one of the most uneducated people I have ever run across on a forum. For your own sake learn to under stand what you are reading.  There are two sides to every story. If black people had never been brought here as slaves they would all still be in Darfur brushing the flies off of  their HIV.  bloated bodies.. That is a fact not a bigoted statement.

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    In other words: if anyone has some explaining to do, it’s yourself.  The Darfur comment is really bad.

    Of course, you’re a self-professed happy-go-lucky type who “doesn’t give a dump” about politics or religion, so I’m not holding my breath for an explanation.

    As for your response to the point about the US stimulus package – which was to say (predictably) that Britain is “in the toilet”- well, I hate to remind you but the USA is currently rated one notch below the UK, by Standard & Poor’s, at AA+ (UK: AAA).  It’s a funny old world, isn’t it? 

    BTW I received a nice message from Human Events / Disqus saying that you’re “following” me.  How flattering!  I look forward to further “debates”, particularly if the best that you can do is to keep referring me to an obscure website and making baseless assertions about my personal circumstances.

    Have a nice day!

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  • http://alexandermilne.co.uk/ Alexander Milne

    Well, hicusdicus, I’m not surprised that you keep trying to change the subject and talk about me, since it was yourself who posted the following crass comment on this thread……

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    Do you have any idea what reading comprehension is?  You have got to be one of the most uneducated people I have ever run across on a forum. For your own sake learn to understand what you are reading.  There are two sides to every story. If black people had never been brought here as slaves they would all still be in Darfur brushing the flies off of their HIV.  bloated bodies.. That is a fact not a bigoted statement.

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    Please explain the above comment.  Was it another example of “fun”, i.e. your superior sense of “humor” (sic)?  Or are you merely a bigot?

    I don’t see much “fun”, humanity or warmth in your nasty little postings but I hesitate to speculate on your personal circumstances or educational background.  Why bother when quotations like the above speak volumes?

    Alex

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    hicusdicus -

    Quite a serious comment from the man who “doesn’t give a dump” about politics or religion.  

    Just a reminder – lest we forget – your original quotation was:-

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    Do you have any idea what reading comprehension is?  You have got to be one of the most uneducated people I have ever run across on a forum. For your own sake learn to understand what you are reading.  There are two sides to every story. If black people had never been brought here as slaves they would all still be in Darfur brushing the flies off of their HIV.  bloated bodies.. That is a fact not a bigoted statement.

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    You think Africa-American slaves came from Darfur?

    And when do you think HIV first appeared?  The 1650s or the 1980s?

    Amazing that you try to justify such drivel.  “That is a fact not a bigoted statement” indeed.

    Two final observations (for today): firstly, Python satirised bigots such as yourself.  Or maybe you missed those shows.  Secondly, Disqus informs me that you posted the above comment “1 hour ago”.  Since it’s now 7.30am UK time, I assume that you are burning the midnight oil Stateside – which rather makes nonsense of your previous accusations about wasting time on political blogs, etc.  Doesn’t it!

    Alex

  • http://alexandermilne.co.uk/ Alexander Milne

    Lethal, yes, particularly in Vietnam.

    And sometimes they even manage not to kill too many of their allies in “friendly fire” incidents :-)

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  • hicusdicus

    Yes and tell us they are building a utopia. All we have to is comply. Oh yes! and get rid of that outdated constitution. It just stands in the way of progress.

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  • http://alexandermilne.co.uk/ Alexander Milne

    Losing the plot a little, hicusdicus, aren’t you!  Let’s stick to the known facts: you’re a racist who thinks African-American slaves in the 17th century came from Darfur and had AIDS.  What more is there to say?!

  • http://alexandermilne.co.uk/ Alexander Milne

    hicusdicus -

    A typically poor attempt at justifying your bigotry and ignorance.  African-American slaves didn’t come from Darfur and they certainly didn’t have AIDS.  As for “reading comprehension”…… what is “AID’s”?  What is “aids”?  What is “Britians”?  Sort your own house before throwing stones!

    QUOTE
    “Bigots usually have a lot of friends.  They see eye to eye with like minded people.”
    UNQUOTE

    Here’s the definition of a bigot (from the Oxford Dictionary): “A person who has strong and unreasonable beliefs and opinions, especially about religion or politics, and will not listen to or accept the opinions of anyone who disagrees.”

    Key word: “unreasonable”.  

    And you’re admitting to being a bigot?  OK – at last we can agree on something……. :-)

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  • http://alexandermilne.co.uk/ Alexander Milne

    hicusdicus -

    The truth at last – you admit you’re a racist.  Well, blow me down, what a shocker!  

    However, you say, “Of course I am a racist.  Some are white some are black and some are brown…… If you are going to quote try and get it correct.  I said this is where they would be if they had not been brought here….”

    hicusdicus – you are trying to rewrite your own words, on this thread.  You said that the African-American slaves who came from “Darfur” already had “AIDS” bloated bodies:-

    QUOTE

    Do you have any idea what reading comprehension is?  You have got to be one of the most uneducated people I have ever run across on a forum. For your own sake learn to under stand what you are reading.  There are two sides to every story. If black people had never been brought here as slaves they would all still be in Darfur brushing
    the flies off of  their HIV.  bloated bodies.. That is a fact not a bigoted statement.
     
    UNQUOTE

    So don’t try the old “I was misquoted out of context” baloney, particularly when the evidence is right there on the very same thread.  Were you born yesterday?!

    BTW I see you on this thread, winding up fellow rightwingers for no good reason whatsoever. Yet you accuse ME of wasting time on political forums! Duh! Believe me, it takes mere minutes to deal with the likes of yourself, bigot. And it’s ALWAYS a pleasure to do so.

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  • http://alexandermilne.co.uk/ Alexander Milne

    Thanks, hicusdicus, for the “offer of help”, but I don’t need any help from a self-confessed bigot who thinks that African-American slaves came from “Darfur” and had “AID’s”.  If that’s an example of “how you think”, you need to go back and re-read your daft book as it obviously didn’t sink in first time ;-)

    As for being irritated and annoyed: you’re talking about yourself.  I’m not annoyed in the least.  The only thing that would make me annoyed and upset would be to find folks on Human Events such as yourself – rightwingers, bigots, xenophobes – AGREEING with me.

    “A big dose of intellectual rehab”….. indeed.  Where did you learn to parrot that phrase, I wonder.

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  • http://alexandermilne.co.uk/ Alexander Milne

    hicusdicus said:-

    QUOTE

    Let me see if I got this right.  You are liberal, you read the New york times, listen to progressive talk radio. watch some British clone of CNN, hate George Bush and loathe Sara Palin, adore Al the moron Gore and revere Barack Obama, are pro choice, anti gun, adhere to to separation of church and state, are in favor of universal health care, vote for measures to redistribute wealth and tax the rich in order to level the playing field and believe global warming is real and potentially disastrous for civilization  if the government does not do something dramatic soon. Does this pretty well wrap up your thought processing ? See!! you are a candidate for intellectual rehab. Bankers don’t think along those lines it would be disastrous. So what are you? What do you actually do at the gay sperm bank? Get clients zippers unstuck and file the deposit boxes or hand out self help picture books and offer help for the reluctant? Do you actually have a job of any kind? Most posters on political forums are shut ins with personality disorders and no sane people to talk too. You most likely type with one hand and your other hand is stuck in your pants. I am now officially a bigot. That is what I think of you and I don’t even know you. If you are not a white Christian then I am most likely a racist. What ever I am I am sure the rest of the Americans on this forum are convinced you are a passionate Wanker.

    UNQUOTE

    Let me see if I got THIS right……. You’re a guy who said he “doesn’t give a dump” about religion and politics and criticised those who “waste time” on political forums?!

    Your insult-strewn attempts to provoke a reaction are pointless.  You’re a guy who publicly stated that “If black people had never been brought here as slaves they would all still be in Darfur brushing the flies off of their HIV, bloated bodies.. That is a fact not a bigoted statement.”

    You’re still trying to bluster through that one.  

    And now there’s another: “If you are not a white Christian then I am most likely a racist.”

    Some “Christian” you are.

    Anyhow, it’s time for breakfast now, then work.  I do indeed work in a bank, and, since you declined the opportunity to discuss specifics like “financial intermediation”, I suspect that you know it too :-)

    BTW Don’t for a second think that you speak for “the rest of Americans”, on this forum or elsewhere.  Not all Americans are racists.

    A bientot!

    Alex

     

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  • http://alexandermilne.co.uk/ Alexander Milne

    Thanks, hicusdicus, but I don’t need any lesson on the meaning of words such as “racist”, politically-correct or otherwise, particularly from a self-confessed bigot.  The reason I keep repeating your nasty little phrase about “Darfur” and “AIDs” is because you keep trying to play it down.  For example, in your latest post, you say 

    QUOTE
    “I will reiterate. If the black people who had been brought here as slaves had been left where they were born their situation would be much much  worse. So good things can eventually come out of bad.”
    UNQUOTE

    Whereas in fact what you originally said was quite different:-

    QUOTE
    If black people had never been brought here as slaves they would all still be in Darfur brushing the flies off of  their HIV.  bloated bodies.. That is a fact not a bigoted statement.     
    UNQUOTE

    In other words, you said that:- a.) Black African-Americans came from “Darfur” (obviously incorrect); and b.) Suffered from HIV ….. in the 18th century?  (And indeed that all blacks avoided “AIDs” by coming to the USA – is there no AIDS in America?). I wonder what your scientist wife thinks about that one.

    You see: you’re not “reiterating”, you’re “rewriting”.  

    I really DO hope you show your better half the whole thread, so she can see your wonderful debating style of obfuscation, avoidance of “difficult” topics (e.g. financial intermediation), and above all the use of childish insults (and my refusal to respond in kind).

    And all the while continuing to claim that you “don’t care” about religion or politics!  

    A bientot,

    Alex

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/William-Britton/100000634355134 William Britton

    No it was made by followers of YAWEH not allah. The muslim THEOCRACY is a quasi religious POLITICAL governmental system created by man who spent way too much time in the desert sun, and stole parts of the TORAH and NEW TESTAMENT to create his BLASPHEMY!

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/William-Britton/100000634355134 William Britton

    Our Military is very proficient and would be just as Effective…if the dammned Politicians would just let the Generals DO THEIR JOB!

  • hicusdicus

     What about Scientology, Mormons,  Wicker witches, Jehovah witlesslness and all the rest of the dingle berry god fanatics that are constantly condemning us to hell because we don’t believe?

  • hicusdicus

     Either you have altimeters or live in a time warp.

  • PPTA

    Regans economic plan worked for years after he was gone. It worked right through the Clinton years while Clinon gave our technology to China, It was stopped when the Democrts took the house and senate in 2006. Gas prises started up. It came down to gas, food and work. Retail stores started closing their doors. Our economy was slipping after the years of stopping domestic oil use by the environmentalist groups.

    Then another Democrat agency failed big time. Chris Dodd and Barney frank, plus Obama were right in the middle of it. Fannie Mae and Freddy Mac. Headed by Franklin Rines, Jamie Corlicand one other person who issued all the bad loans, and used Acorn o pressure banks to make hese loans. We heard of the community orginzers.

    Republicans, starting in 2005, tried o rain in Freddy Mac nd Fannie Mae. They held hearings. You can still find thee hearings on y-tube. The Republicans were called Nazi’s. They didn’t want poor people to have homes.

    Then came the Bail outs that did nothing but pay back big special interests of the Democrat leaders including Obama. And it is still here today. Take a look at the Key Stone pipe line. Almost 100,000 blue collar, good paying jobs. Gone. Much needed oil, gone, and our domestic drilling, still way below what it should be. Even three major interntion unions are fed up with Obma because of Key Stone, the labors union, the operating engineers union, and the pipe fitters union.

    Obamka’s green jobs have all failed and went bankrupt or they are about to go bankrupt. But the CEO’s and top officers of the companies are still getting big buck bonus’s. Why? Because they are big time Obama donors.

    Yes, you really have it right. For a Progressive Liberal.

  • http://alexandermilne.co.uk/ Alexander Milne

    PPTA -

    You seem to believe that the “baddies” are Democrats / liberals and the “goodies” are Republicans / conservatives, always and everywhere.  That’s very simplistic and an obvious indication of your own political bias.  

    I, on the other hand, have no political axe to grind – I’ve not much time for the Democrats and even less for the Republicans – both are incredibly hypocritical, corrupt and in bed with Big Business.

    As an economist by training, and a commercial (lending) banker with nearly 25 years’ experience, the kindest thing I can say about your analysis of recent US economic and banking history is it’s superficial.  But, like so many “pro-American” conservatives, you seem determined to pin the blame for the Great Recession on your compatriots – either “Progressive Liberals” or the “undeserving poor”.  Therefore let me add another few words to describe your analysis: inaccurate, selective and second-hand.

    Take your references to ACORN, for example.  The US pundit (and ex-Goldman Sachs investment banker), in his excellent book “The 86 Biggest Lies on Wall Street”, asks Republicans to explain how ACORN’s total mortgage lending of USD 5 billion could have brought on a USD 30 trillion worldwide crisis. To which I would add that, according to Joel Bessis in his book “Risk Management” (2010), sub-prime lending in 2007 was around USD 600bn (20%) out of a total USD 3 trillion mortgage market.  

    Talbott also points out that the biggest house price boom was in the USA’s wealthiest cities: “[T]here were very few CRA mortgages extended in La Jolla, Beverley Hills or Miami Beach”.

    In other words, your pinning the blame on ACORN’s community “orginzers” (sic) doesn’t explain much.  US banks (private sector) made independent, commercial misjudgements based on the ridiculous and hubristic assumption that real estate values (as collateral for all forms of mortgage lending) would continue rising indefinitely.  Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac worked perfectly well for decades.  The US government and ACORN didn’t “force” the banks to lend, as your rightwing pals have alleged.  If anything, it’s Wall Street that runs the government.

    By the way, did it occur to you that quite a lot of bad debts originated from non-sub-prime mortgage lending?

    Meanwhile, the US banking sector successfully lobbied for looser financial regulation, assisted by the Reaganite 1980s and weak Democrats / greedy Republicans, including very low capitalisation ratios.  When the Global Recession arrived, the banks didn’t have enough capital to absorb their losses and had to ask Uncle Sam for bailouts (“Too big to fail” etc).  So much for Reagan’s prattling about government being “the problem, not the solution”.   

    Then there was the growth of the shadow banking sector, which wasn’t even covered by Roosevelt-era regulation.  Any thoughts on that?

    In the event, the collapse of just one US bank – Lehman Brothers – lost tens of billions but the shockwave triggered a credit crunch that wiped out several trillion USD of global GDP.  Had the other struggling US banks been allowed to go under (plus GM in Detroit), as some of the “economically-literate” Republicans recommended – it would have made the 1930s seem like a picnic.

    You haven’t even mentioned lending to over-leveraged corporates.    Quite a lot of that happened too.  Now the US corporate sector is in quite reasonable shape, not least because of the stimulus package which stopped the whole economy falling off a cliff.  

    And what about the role of financial innovation, e.g. the move from the “originate-to-hold” to the “originate-to-distribute” model, which was designed by the private-sector banks and underpinned by “independent” ratings agencies conflicted by the need to earn huge fees?  

    Any thoughts on the pro-cyclicality of mark-to-market accounting? Or the low-interest-rate environment caused by huge savings surpluses in the Far East (China and other emerging markets)?  Or the fact that US regulation, uniquely in the world, was officially classified, by the G30′s Financial Regulatory Systems Working Group (2008), as “complex” (because it is a dog’s breakfast)? 

    But all you can see is a couple of thousand “Obama green jobs lost”!  What a narrow perspective you have, blaming the least-culpable.  

    You could address some of the above points but no doubt it’ll be more comfortable living in your Never-Never Land where it’s all the fault of “the Democrats”.

    PS According to some of your chums writing on Human Events three years ago, the USA by now would be embroiled in civil war or overrun by Muslim fanatics……. But in the real world – outside the rightwing blogosphere – market commentators and professionals such as the World Bank, the IIF, the Bank of England, the BIS etc are unanimous that the US economy is making a steady but tentative recovery.  Obama’s bailout of GM is a success.  Job creation is picking up again.  Your President inherited an unprecedented mess but mostly made the right judgement calls from 2009 onwards.  I don’t like the modern-day Democrats but, credit where credit’s due…….

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_SLU4DMUN7XCUMWPCOWTCMOI2XU K

    The election was rigged and most intelligent people (that would exclude Libs and Dems) know that.  Thanks to ACORN Daffy Duck, Pluto and all the other Disney characters voted in each state!  Also, MANY illegals and DEAD people!!!

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_SLU4DMUN7XCUMWPCOWTCMOI2XU K

    Why don’t you focus on your own country and stay out of our discussion here?  Americans DON’T want America to be like England.  That’s why we’re here and you are there!  We don’t even want your opinions.

  • http://alexandermilne.co.uk/ Alexander Milne

    In response to various posters below (living in the parallel world of US conservatism)…….

    K said:-QUOTEThe election was rigged and most intelligent people (that would exclude Libs and Dems) know that.  Thanks to ACORN Daffy Duck, Pluto and all the other Disney characters voted in each state!  Also, MANY illegals and DEAD people!!!UNQUOTE

    Keep telling yourself that, K.  No serious commentators or independent observers believe that the 2008 election was rigged, or that ACORN was a Marxist front organisation.  Florida 2000, on the other hand, most definitely was (read Greg Palast for the definitive account).  Congratulations, K, on a brief post – the pick of the bunch – that neatly includes some of the key conservative characteristics: paranoia, xenophobia, displacement (describing your own shortcomings as being the enemy’s), sore loser syndrome, and total detachment from reality.

    Joanma is worried about the “stimulous” (sic) money.  Well, I already pointed out what the independent economic and financial commentators are saying about the US economy.  BTW Obama is not “my” great leader.    I’m British.  I think the Democrats and Republicans are “two cheeks of the same backside”.  Until Americans break the linkage with Big Money, US politics will remain a puppet show.

    Hicusdicus is a person I’ve encountered before, who gets his kicks making bigoted and racist statements about African-American slaves coming to the USA to avoid AIDS in Darfur, therefore his views on “England” (sic) – still AAA-rated, folks! – are of little consequence to me.  Masochists can read our original debate, and his wise decision to slink away from it, in John Hayward’s HE article dated 30th January 2012, entitled “Massive layoffs at another Obama stimulus company”.

    SOF Warrior is reliving his version of WWII from the comfort of his La-Z-Boy armchair.  These days, he sees no contradiction in the USA meddling in other countries’ affairs, but complains when foreigners such as myself using the WorldWideWeb to merely comment on US politics.  

    What I’m inviting HE readers to comment on is REAL-LIFE reports about the US economy is recovering.  The fact that no-one has done so tells me something about the visceral fear gripping US conservatives these days.  Not only is the GOP indulging in what Jeb Bush described as a “circular firing squad”, but each and every one of its potential Presidential candidates is unacceptable to large chunks of the US populace.  

    Add to that a modest but unmistakeable US economic recovery, and the November 2012 Election starts to look VERY interesting….!

  • kenny1801

    I’ll just be glad to see the destroyer in Chief GONE!!!